Daz needs to show more respect to the adult entertainment industry re: 3D content.

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  • TjohnTjohn Posts: 7,391
    edited December 2012

    Zev0 said:

    Regarding sex that sells and DAZ3D doesn't know business (!): if it was even remotely true, DAZ3D.com and Renderosity.com would get less traffic than Renderotica. Yet according to web statistics the latter gets only around one eigth of DAZ's and Renderosity's.
    One of the most intelligent comments in this thread. LOL I don't even know what we are talking about anymore. This thread has gone into so many other directions..

    I think it was something pertaining to D-A-Z and S-E-X.
    Although looking again at the Topic Title the concept of "Daz needs to show more respect to the adult entertainment industry re: 3D content", leaves me wondering why DAZ3D as an internet content provider should be expected to give a tin crap about how their customers choose to use/abuse the content they purchase here?
    The products sold here are affordable, quality content for use by 3D Artists both professional and amateur (this content does what it is intended to do; no more, no less).
    DAZ3D compares very favorably with other sites that do the same.
    If you don't find exactly what you want here, look elsewhere or learn to make it yourself: I do.
    This is not a rant. This is not condemnation. This is just fact.

    Post edited by Tjohn on
  • Norse GraphicsNorse Graphics Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    tjohn said:
    Zev0 said:

    Regarding sex that sells and DAZ3D doesn't know business (!): if it was even remotely true, DAZ3D.com and Renderosity.com would get less traffic than Renderotica. Yet according to web statistics the latter gets only around one eigth of DAZ's and Renderosity's.
    One of the most intelligent comments in this thread. LOL I don't even know what we are talking about anymore. This thread has gone into so many other directions..

    I think it was something pertaining to D-A-Z and S-E-X.
    Although looking again at the Topic Title the concept of "Daz needs to show more respect to the adult entertainment industry re: 3D content", leaves me wondering why DAZ3D as an internet content provider should be expected to give a tin crap about how their customers choose to use/abuse the content they purchase here?
    The products sold here are affordable, quality content for use by 3D Artists both professional and amateur (this content does what it is intended to do; no more, no less).
    DAZ3D compares very favorably with other sites that do the same.
    If you don't find exactly what you want here, look elsewhere or learn to make it yourself: I do.
    This is not a rant. This is not condemnation. This is just fact.

    The complaint - I think - is, why go only half the way, and not release a 100% complete figure with all morphs, bells and whistles in the first place? Thus saving time and money for their customers to go look at 'other' places for a fix creating realistic human figures? One morph in question was the buttocks and thighs.

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 3,567
    edited December 2012

    If they released a figure that was complete then the entire business model would change and there would be no need for Vendors. Imagine they released an expression pack that could do it all. Now all vendors who make make a living doing expression packs are no longer needed. Also how much would a pack like that cost you? Also Genesis is designed to be multi-morphing. Maybe if the buttox and thighs were done correctly or the way people want, It would break or look strange on other dialed in shapes. I have seen this happen before with a couple of body fixing morphs. Looks great on one shape, and the results are strange on another.

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  • ManStanManStan Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    Skiriki said:

    How come you continue with the attitude that all porn is about brutalization of women?

    Don't put words in my mouth, I never said that.

    And since Richard put the brakes on my argument; even though it is not political in nature it would refer to international laws, or laws in countries out side of America, I'll respond to someone's over the top, extremest argument with this.

    re·duc·ti·o ad ab·sur·dum (r-dkt- d b-sûrdm, -zûr-, -sh-)
    n. pl. re·duc·ti·o·nes ad absurdum (-nz, -ns)
    Disproof of a proposition by showing that it leads to absurd or untenable conclusions.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 1,718
    edited December 2012

    Dogz said:
    [ ... Remember that every time something is outlawed, it turns more people into criminals ...

    Exactly right! And as people are turned into criminals we tend to have less respect for the law. The point brought up earlier about prohibition in Finland parallels what was experienced in the US during the early part of the 20th century. And after the 60s the crackdown on pot has caused an explosion of alternatives all more intoxicating and dangerous than what was only a mild high.

    I'm not saying that there shouldn't be restrictions, and punishments for actual violence or property abuse committed while under the influence, but making criminals out of everybody just for getting high seems to be counterproductive.

    Same thing with images. As pointed out earlier, artistic images of consensual sexual acts are different than images of rape and abuse only in degree and perception. A snapshot of what looks like sadistic torture by a 6 foot bullwhip causing angry red (bloodless) welts crisscrossing the naked back of a man chained to a pole can actually be a depiction of mutually enjoyed exchange of extreme sensation. I personally have been on both ends of that scene and never has there been any anger or sorrow or forced intention. The end of the scene was always a loving embrace, with tears of mutual joy. But a casual observer would have been hard pressed to see this without viewing the entire scene and talking to the participants. I'm not saying that there can't be accidents but that is true of any activity in life. Smart people try to avoid them. In any extreme activity I've been involved in, the limit was "let there be no damage, mental or physical". No blood, no long lasting bruises, and absolute respect to stop if asked.

    HOWEVER, I do find it impossible to accept an image of an adult doing that to a child. In that case there can be no informed consent. Depiction of abuse of innocents is totally offensive to me. But where do you draw the line? Is the image a photo of a wrinkled grandfather kissing his grandchild goodnight the same as a wicked pedaphile engaging in foreplay? It's impossible to define porn except by examination of the source and intent.

    Post edited by LeatherGryphon on
  • swordkensiaswordkensia Posts: 233
    edited December 1969

    Zev0 said:
    While you guys have been talking about politics, I spent the night starting on the fixes that the OP asked for. There will be a whole bunch. Here are just two early drafts of two morphs. One is a clothing fixer, the other is just a bend morph. I will start an official thread on this when the time is right. Admin, there is no nudity in the pic so please don't delete the image lol.

    Awesome yet ANOTHER of your products I will be buying. Is this for Genesis or V4.??

    S.K.

  • creativemodelsbecreativemodelsbe Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    Zev0 said:
    If they released a figure that was complete then the entire business model would change and there would be no need for Vendors.

    that's fine for me.
    i prefer a complete figure over vendor fixes.
    vendors can create other morphs, clothes or props.

  • ManStanManStan Posts: 0
    edited December 2012

    There is a big difference between what you do in the privacy of your own home consensually, and the poser porn I see. 99.9% of what I see has nothing to do with consensual. They depict little more then brutalizing a captive woman. If it was what I see in the main stream porn industry I'd have no issues with it, but sadly most often that is not the case.

    Post edited by ManStan on
  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 3,567
    edited December 1969

    Zev0 said:
    While you guys have been talking about politics, I spent the night starting on the fixes that the OP asked for. There will be a whole bunch. Here are just two early drafts of two morphs. One is a clothing fixer, the other is just a bend morph. I will start an official thread on this when the time is right. Admin, there is no nudity in the pic so please don't delete the image lol.

    Awesome yet ANOTHER of your products I will be buying. Is this for Genesis or V4.??

    S.K.

    Genesis so far.

  • RarethRareth Posts: 1,457
    edited December 1969

    13 pages and counting.. I'm still trynig to wrap my head around the concept of RESPECT for the adult enterainment industry....

    I thought respect was something earned, not a given..

  • MistyMistMistyMist Posts: 15,164
    edited December 2012

    maybe, hip swapping geometry? denser mesh. it would need more morph channels. estimating the level of effort, can't decide how much of a commission would be motivating.

    Post edited by MistyMist on
  • araneldonaraneldon Posts: 620
    edited December 1969

    Rareth said:
    13 pages and counting.. I'm still trynig to wrap my head around the concept of RESPECT for the adult enterainment industry....

    I thought respect was something earned, not a given..


    Do you find it less respectable than the other entertainment industries, and if so, why?

  • RarethRareth Posts: 1,457
    edited December 1969

    araneldon said:
    Rareth said:
    13 pages and counting.. I'm still trynig to wrap my head around the concept of RESPECT for the adult enterainment industry....

    I thought respect was something earned, not a given..


    Do you find it less respectable than the other entertainment industries, and if so, why?

    I don't think its more or less respectable than any of the other entertainment industries, but it hasn't done much to earn my respect, imho all the entertainment industries have kind of gone down hill in that department anyway..

  • ManStanManStan Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    araneldon said:
    Rareth said:
    13 pages and counting.. I'm still trynig to wrap my head around the concept of RESPECT for the adult enterainment industry....

    I thought respect was something earned, not a given..


    Do you find it less respectable than the other entertainment industries, and if so, why?

    Oh I'll put it right up there with the rest of the brainless shlock that's coming out of Hollywood. :) I mean if it has a plot and story line so shallow as to be practically nonexistent, it might as well be porn lol

  • SkirikiSkiriki Posts: 4,738
    edited December 1969

    ManStan said:
    There is a big difference between what you do in the privacy of your own home consensually, and the poser porn I see. 99.9% of what I see has nothing to do with consensual. They depict little more then brutalizing a captive woman. If it was what I see in the main stream porn industry I'd have no issues with it, but sadly most often that is not the case.

    Fine, let me amend it: you seem to have the opinion of almost all digital porn being about brutalization of people, specifically women.

    Well I'm not going to buy that claim. Perhaps, just perhaps it is that effect I mentioned above (because lots of image store places disallow sex of all sorts), or perhaps some people move around different sites altogether and see less of the stuff you see, and perhaps the stuff they share is not like you describe. I am not going to do "guess the percentages" game, but I have seen plenty of consensual, fun sort as well.

    I do not deny that violent render porn exists. It does. I have seen it myself after all.

    But:
    1) I am going to dispute it being as huge problem as some make it seem to be. Most people are perfectly capable of telling fantasy and reality apart from each other, and know that what is possible in a fantasy would be seriously BAD THING in Real World, thus they won't enact it. FANTASIES are FANTASIES, and we have those for a reason.
    2) I am going to dispute it being as prevailing as you think. It is simply loud and in-your-face than more subdued consensual stuff, so you're risking confirmation bias here.

    Second, I want to remind that some people who also do less porn-y stuff for Rendo and DAZ and DeviantArt also do stuff for other places, ranging from rendered erotica to porn to digital goodies. Some of the stuff in this thread comes pretty close to accusing them of gods know what -- proliferation of sexual violence or whatever, even if all they had done were some sex toy objects or fetish clothes. I dislike broad category judgments a lot.

  • Kendall SearsKendall Sears Posts: 1,882
    edited December 1969

    ManStan said:
    araneldon said:
    Rareth said:
    13 pages and counting.. I'm still trynig to wrap my head around the concept of RESPECT for the adult enterainment industry....

    I thought respect was something earned, not a given..


    Do you find it less respectable than the other entertainment industries, and if so, why?

    Oh I'll put it right up there with the rest of the brainless shlock that's coming out of Hollywood. :) I mean if it has a plot and story line so shallow as to be practically nonexistent, it might as well be porn lol

    Oh, come now! *Anything* from the left coast is shallow. :-)

    One could say that what is happening to their fiscal situation could be classified as a type of porn.

    Kendall

  • I^NDIAI^NDIA Posts: 6
    edited December 1969

    I just gotta follow this thread and see where it ends up...

    *eating popcorn* hmmmmmm

  • SkirikiSkiriki Posts: 4,738
    edited December 1969

    Hey, is that popcorn I see? With or without butter? I got salted peanuts, wanna trade?

  • I^NDIAI^NDIA Posts: 6
    edited December 1969

    DAZ_Kevin said:
    *cough* No comment. *Cough*
    laksdfj said:

    Take V5 Genesis and bend her over. DAZ needs to get on top of that .


    lmao

  • KickAir 8PKickAir 8P Posts: 1,843
    edited December 1969

    I^NDIA said:
    DAZ_Kevin said:
    *cough* No comment. *Cough*
    laksdfj said:

    Take V5 Genesis and bend her over. DAZ needs to get on top of that .

    lmao

    lmAo?!? :: gigglefit! ::

  • I^NDIAI^NDIA Posts: 6
    edited December 2012

    no 3d erotic sites? there are huge amount of them. some quite good realistically. they are usually Japanese

    Post edited by I^NDIA on
  • Norse GraphicsNorse Graphics Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    ManStan said:
    araneldon said:
    Rareth said:
    13 pages and counting.. I'm still trynig to wrap my head around the concept of RESPECT for the adult enterainment industry....

    I thought respect was something earned, not a given..


    Do you find it less respectable than the other entertainment industries, and if so, why?

    Oh I'll put it right up there with the rest of the brainless shlock that's coming out of Hollywood. :) I mean if it has a plot and story line so shallow as to be practically nonexistent, it might as well be porn lol

    That's a problem across all kinds of entertainment from Hollyweird. Just take a look at some of the non-pron movies, and you'll see what I mean. The problem with pron is lack of interesting story, and that leads - more or less - automatically to boring pron. Thus a qualification of why I said in my previous post (once seen... etc.). So, if the saying about things starting out in the adult entertainment is by any stretch is true (they started the VHS-revolution vs. betamax), then no wonder movies these days are pretty much dumbed down crap.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 19,294
    edited December 1969

    This discussion is getting into quasi-political territory, which we do not allow. The discussion of morphs and so on is fine, as is talking about the kind of work people produce, but please drop the discussion of how content should or should not be regulated.

    Since this was ignored by several posters the thread has been locked.

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