Daz needs to show more respect to the adult entertainment industry re: 3D content.

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  • randym77randym77 Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    Hee. I remember way back when, when DAZ was so prudish they refused to offer lingerie for Vicky. M1 and V1 had business clothing, casual wear, none of this pinup stuff. DAZ came around, likely because that's where the money was, and if there was profit enough in pr0n, I'd guess they'd...get on top of it, as the OP said.

    Credit cards really are the problem, not some kind of backlash against Poser porn. I remember when one well-known artist had the store at his personal web site shut down because the credit card companies took offense at a free tutorial he had which showed Posette's naked polygons. There was really nothing to see - it was all wireframe. But they made him put fig leaves over the naughty bits before they restored his store.

  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 3,330
    edited November 2012

    Credit cards aren't really the problem. If they were many sites would not be in business. It is possibly a challenge for those who use certain credit card processors that do not allow for such content, but I can assure you can have a site that sells adult content and accept vista and MC. Not sure about the rest of the cards.

    But yeah just look online and see how all those adult sites take payment, its via credit card. But those sites are big dogs who use real credit card processing companies not some ultra small business/hobby level credit card solution that only cost a few hundred a year.

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  • TimbalesTimbales Posts: 1,216
    edited December 1969

    has anyone made a demand for a realistic anus yet?

  • KickAir 8PKickAir 8P Posts: 1,843
    edited November 2012

    TimG said:
    has anyone made a demand for a realistic anus yet?

    Yep! :cheese: Sincerely doubt we'll get it here, though.

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  • LedheadLedhead Posts: 1,586
    edited December 1969

    It's kinda at the bottom of the list which bums me out butt I',m not going to be an ass about it so let's dig ourselves out of the chute and we'll have tossed salad later.

  • LedheadLedhead Posts: 1,586
    edited December 1969

    Sorry, I just couldn't help myself!

  • wancowwancow Posts: 2,708
    edited December 1969

    randym77 said:
    Hee. I remember way back when, when DAZ was so prudish they refused to offer lingerie for Vicky.

    Wasn't that Pre-DAZ as in Zygote?

  • randym77randym77 Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    But yeah just look online and see how all those adult sites take payment, its via credit card. But those sites are big dogs who use real credit card processing companies not some ultra small business/hobby level credit card solution that only cost a few hundred a year.

    Obviously, it's possible since there are certainly plenty of paid pr0n sites on the net. But it's expensive. Not least because chargebacks are a huge problem with such sites. People buy a subscription, see what they want to see, then claim they never made that charge. (Often after the wife sees it on the credit card statement.)

  • SockrateaseSockratease Posts: 796
    edited December 1969

    randym77 said:
    Hee. I remember way back when, when DAZ was so prudish they refused to offer lingerie for Vicky.

    I still want skankwear for The DAZ Cow!

  • SlimerJSpudSlimerJSpud Posts: 856
    edited December 1969

    TimG said:
    has anyone made a demand for a realistic anus yet?

    Actually, that's available on "that other render site" too. :red:

    One way to gauge the market for something is to go to a large retailer that has an adult DVD section and look at the product mix. One large retailer I go to has an adult DVD section on one aisle. I would say roughly 1/4 to 1/3 of that is animated in the Anime or Hentai style. I haven't checked lately, but I don't think much of that is rendered ... yet. Online, there are tons of sites that offer just about anything. Again, there are probably a lot more involving paid actors or "amateurs" than there are 3D.

    I've seen some incredibly good 3D erotica. I've also seen some incredibly BAD 3D erotica. The good stuff always involves real effort in 3D modeling, textures, lighting, posing, you name it. Good work takes talent, technique, and effort. That's universal, regardless of subject.

  • drucdruc Posts: 69
    edited December 1969

    I found another two bob (two bob is a slang reference to pre decimal currency and equivalent to 20 cents and the expression refers to the opinion being worth about 20 cents) so here goes.

    I often say "follow the money" if there was no money to be made with porn there would be no porn industry. I uses the word "Porn" here to be the widest possible scope, so anything from a topless pose to the most outrages image possible because the description porn is in the eye of the beholder.

    On reading the other posts, it seems my search engine needs to be taught some new tricks, Mine tends to search for tutorials and free content, not other peoples images. Some of the daz tutorials end with phrases like "experiment and see what you can do". This experiment and try and be frustrated when it doesn't work is all part of being creative, in my humble opinion.

    As for his and her private bits, sometimes, they need to be seen sometimes not, but should be as realistic as the rest of the character.

  • Ken OBanionKen OBanion Posts: 814
    edited December 1969

    Dogz said:
    +5 .....although at this rate, the thread will just end up as a rather predicable mathematical equation. ;)


    You mean like a Fibonacci Sequence? ;-P

  • Ken OBanionKen OBanion Posts: 814
    edited December 1969

    icprncss said:
    fivecat said:
    DAZ_Kevin said:
    *cough* No comment. *Cough*
    laksdfj said:

    Take V5 Genesis and bend her over. DAZ needs to get on top of that .

    Giggedy-Giggedy!

    Thank you for making me laugh so hard it hurt.

    This thread should have a warning not to be drinking anything while reading it. It almost guarantees whatever you are drinking will end up all over the monitor.



    It did...!

    Fortunately, the drink in question was a Martini, which is almost pure alcohol (at least, they are the way I make 'em!), so the spew doubled as a screen-cleaner.

    It was due, anyway. So thank you!

  • JaguarEllaJaguarElla Posts: 10,648
    edited November 2012

    Dogz said:
    +5 .....although at this rate, the thread will just end up as a rather predicable mathematical equation. ;)


    You mean like a Fibonacci Sequence? ;-P

    have not got that one on my animated KarmaSutra app?
    is it like a close nude conga dance that snakes to the nth degree?
    or a golden spiral of fornication with or without salsa or other condiments?

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  • Korvis BlackKorvis Black Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    I agree that DAZ should provide bug-free and more workable *bits*, not so much that those *bits* should be exposed, but for the sake that certain items items of clothing may not have a natual flow over the affected areas.

    This render was a pita, in that it took a while to find a bikini bottom that didn't ride up. I imagine the same issue may happen with M5, inasmuch that only certain clothing will flow properly. I don't have the budget for additional software to correct these issues, so the easiest and most direct way to solve the problem would be, in my foggy thinking, to create correct models (or at least separately attachable addons) that will allow ALL clothing to properly conform to the *bits*.

    In renders where the model is wearing short skirts, short dresses, bathing suits and shorts, I have noticed problems similar to what "laksdfj" has mentioned. While they are looking at their problem from the adult entertainment industry perspective, I believe that these issues impact a much wider group of digital artists.

    BTW - I did check her ID and all of her pixels are over the age of 21.

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  • Fixme12Fixme12 Posts: 353
    edited December 1969

    fixme12 said:
    Jabba101 said:
    Learn how to properly adjust Genesis, and learn some half-decent post work/digital painting techniques, then sky's the limit

    Yeah, how can people do that without a well written manual or very poor video tutorial section?
    that's where the first problem start...
    all what's left for many is try'll and error and lot's of frustration.
    at that last part, people just leave and go on with other things in life.
    and never look back.

    Unfortunately, this isn't where a DAZ manual comes in. You'll need an external modeling tool to adjust the mesh you can't do the adjusting in DS4.

    why not?
    daz can explain these secrets to it's customers with well done video tutorials to.

    that's no answer for me.

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 3,639
    edited December 2012

    I plan on releasing a morph set that tackles all these issues. Here is a example of one of the morphs I made in action. Left is default V5 and on the right is V5 with one of the bend morphs applied. First thing I re-did when I started using Genesis was this area, since I wasn't that impressed with what happens when the figure is bent over. Where the hell do you add a nudity tag?

    Image removed because there are no content advisory filters.

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  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 3,330
    edited December 1969

    can't wait for that fix Zev :)

  • BlumBlumShubBlumBlumShub Posts: 1,079
    edited December 1969

    can't wait for that fix Zev :)

    What, you want a fix that puts tiny black dots over the naughty bits? You can do that in Photoshop!

  • SkirikiSkiriki Posts: 4,764
    edited December 1969

    BlumBlumShub's avatar reminds me that we probably should ask Emperor Ken if he has plans for Argentine Lake Duck and its 100% Anatomical Correctness...

  • Male-M3diaMale-M3dia Posts: 2,013
    edited December 2012

    fixme12 said:
    fixme12 said:
    Jabba101 said:
    Learn how to properly adjust Genesis, and learn some half-decent post work/digital painting techniques, then sky's the limit

    Yeah, how can people do that without a well written manual or very poor video tutorial section?
    that's where the first problem start...
    all what's left for many is try'll and error and lot's of frustration.
    at that last part, people just leave and go on with other things in life.
    and never look back.

    Unfortunately, this isn't where a DAZ manual comes in. You'll need an external modeling tool to adjust the mesh you can't do the adjusting in DS4.

    why not?
    daz can explain these secrets to it's customers with well done video tutorials to.

    that's no answer for me.

    Well, unfortunately being blunt, the big difference between being content providers and consumers. You didn't bother finding out. DAZ Studio isn't a full featured character creation application, but it offers a plug in to Zbrush. What does zbrush do? Character creation. So where should you start finding info about that? ZBRUSH. Then you find a wealth of information on building characters. All you need to do is either GoZ it back, or use Morph Loader Pro. DS also loads in obj files... what app exports objs? Most of them. So learning those app to create your content is where you start. That's why DAZ isn't going to be much help because there's so many ways to get there. You need to learn one whether it's 3DS Max, Blender, etc.

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  • ManStanManStan Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    de·sen·si·tize (d-sns-tz)
    tr.v. de·sen·si·tized, de·sen·si·tiz·ing, de·sen·si·tiz·es
    1. To render insensitive or less sensitive.
    2. Immunology To make (an individual) nonreactive or insensitive to an antigen.
    3. To make emotionally insensitive or unresponsive, as by long exposure or repeated shocks: "This movie in effect may resensitize people who thought they were desensitized to violence" (Steven Spielberg).
    4. To make (a photographic film or substance) less sensitive to light.

    Still think all those rape renders and scenes depicting the brutalization of women are OK?

    Indulging in a fantasy just make some people want to live the reality more.
    Do you honestly think some one that spends hours looking at scenes depicting the brutalization of women doesn't fantasies about really doing it? And after they have spent some time indulging in their fantasy, want even more to make it a reality?
    Blow this off if you want, but there have been many clinical studies that show this is true.

    Now I am not exposed to poser porn much, I certainly don't go looking for it, but I do see it popup in various galleries. In many what I see would be illegal in many countries, and if were real is illegal in all countries; well the civilized ones anyway. Now I could say what type of porn it is but that get the mods a bit anxious and probably get my post deleted. But that is the type of poser porn I see most often in galleries; hosted out side the US and UK. There is a Russian photo gallery I visit to steel background pics; there are a few people that post some nice wide angle hidef nature scenes, Most of the poser renders; not just porn are of this type.

    Think about that while requesting more realistic naughty bits, because that is where they will end up being used.

  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 3,330
    edited December 1969

    I think that all civilized countries should ban books and video games. Especially LOTR and LOTRO. These works depict violence and will allow wierdos to act out their violent needs in a fantasy way and desensitize them to real world violence.

  • MistyMistMistyMist Posts: 15,554
    edited December 1969

    TimG said:
    People really are looking for realism in their porn.

    Not me!

    Realism is for people who can't handle Fantasy-ism.


    me neither.
    it's annoying when i'm searching for warcraft hentai and the search engine throws live images at me.

  • MistyMistMistyMist Posts: 15,554
    edited December 1969

    I think that all civilized countries should ban books and video games. Especially LOTR and LOTRO. These works depict violence and will allow wierdos to act out their violent needs in a fantasy way and desensitize them to real world violence.


    Saurumon did say to bring the Hobbits unspoiled!

  • MistyMistMistyMist Posts: 15,554
    edited December 2012

    I must admit I am rather surprised, and impressed, that this thread has not degenerated into, back of the class tittering, or burn them at the stake mobbery, indeed we seem to be having a rather interesting and 'adult' conversation.

    Oh Man Stan, you could not be more wrong...there IS a growing CG porn industry.

    As the models and textures become more realistic, and as production skills and lighting methods also become more realistic and professional, so the demand and interest in CG 'erotica' is growing.

    I am going to break cover here and admit that I am a producer of such CG based 'Erotica'/ Images / comics etc.

    I have been producing for over four years, and year on year, I have seen sales growth in the region of 20%. Indeed last year I turned over $27,000 dollars, and I only do this part time, as a side line, and I have literally turned down $1000's in commission requests in the past, as I just don't have the time to fullfill them.

    But I agree that this is something that DAZ should not be involved in or even acknowledge, per say, there are other 'specialist' sites and artists, who should be able to produce the 'specialist bits' that individuals such as myself may require for their models.

    Cheers,

    S.K.


    yoo making money on renders?


    i'm giving up on my cute renders making money on zazzle.

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  • ManStanManStan Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    I think that all civilized countries should ban books and video games. Especially LOTR and LOTRO. These works depict violence and will allow wierdos to act out their violent needs in a fantasy way and desensitize them to real world violence.

    And this sort of flippant attitude is why nothing is ever done about it. So I take it you endorse that sort of porn?

  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 3,330
    edited December 1969

    ManStan said:
    I think that all civilized countries should ban books and video games. Especially LOTR and LOTRO. These works depict violence and will allow wierdos to act out their violent needs in a fantasy way and desensitize them to real world violence.

    And this sort of flippant attitude is why nothing is ever done about it. So I take it you endorse that sort of porn?

    I don't care how you take it frankly. The important thing to understand is that your logic is the same logic they use to try and ban video games and music.

  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 3,330
    edited December 1969


    i'm giving up on my renders making money on zazzle.

    You would need to advertise heavily to get any traffic on zazzle. Depending on your artwork there may be other places better suited. But even then you need to have a captive audience unless you are being commissioned.

  • ManStanManStan Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    What logic, it is a proven fact. Just because you chose not to believe it doesn't make it any less of a fact. As I said there have been dozens of clinical studies that prove it.

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