Daz needs to show more respect to the adult entertainment industry re: 3D content.

HenryChan2HenryChan2 Posts: 0
edited December 2012 in The Commons

A lot of money is being made in adult entertainment with 3D renders. The problem is that DAZ continues to neglect the most important and alluring features in their 3D models. Particularly V4's thighs & buttocks. When V4 is in provocative positions the geometry just doesn't look right. It's been years and years yet there isn't a solid, professional, ENTERPRISE level solution. I'm not talking about the current fixes on the market. I'm talking about realistic life like geometrical accuracies. When V4 is bent over, the geometry must bend the same way a lady would in real life.

So what's the solution here? Money. If DAZ can just pay some more respect to V4's derriere then I would gladly pay for it. When she is bent over, I want it to look just like it would in a real life photo. Please consider it. Even V5 Genesis doesn't bend properly at the thigh and buttock.

I'm currently ready to pay $99.95 for a professional solution.

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  • wancowwancow Posts: 2,708
    edited December 1969

    You could always go to CGTalk.com and hire a modeller/rigger to set you up.

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 1,003
    edited December 1969

    I just gotta follow this thread and see where it ends up...

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 3,637
    edited November 2012

    laksdfj said:
    A lot of money is being made in adult entertainment with 3D renders. The problem is that DAZ continues to neglect the most important and alluring features in their 3D models. Particularly V4's thighs & buttocks. When V4 is in provocative positions the geometry just doesn't look right. It's been years and years yet there isn't a solid, professional, ENTERPRISE level solution. I'm not talking about the current fixes on the market. I'm talking about realistic life like geometrical accuracies. When V4 is bent over, the geometry must bend the same way a lady would in real life.

    So what's the solution here? Money. If DAZ can just pay some more respect to V4's derriere then I would gladly pay for it. When she is bent over, I want it to look just like it would in a real life photo. Please consider it. Even V5 Genesis doesn't bend properly at the thigh and buttock.

    I'm currently ready to pay $99.95 for a professional solution.

    I have made a morph to fix just that issue:) but it is for personal use:) It's called Interbend:) However if you want a product that comes close you can get this - ralfetas' V4 BEND MORPH. Just google it since I cannot post a link. It makes a huge difference. Also if you want better realism on bends, use Genesis. You can transfer all of your favourite morphs over from V4 and get even better results.

    Post edited by Zev0 on
  • Canary3dCanary3d Posts: 1,469
    edited December 1969

    I just gotta follow this thread and see where it ends up...

    +1

  • Rosie DRosie D Posts: 40
    edited December 1969

    Canary3d said:
    I just gotta follow this thread and see where it ends up...

    +1

    +2

  • JaguarEllaJaguarElla Posts: 10,609
    edited December 1969

    in the gutter?

  • BlumBlumShubBlumBlumShub Posts: 1,079
    edited December 1969

    Rosie D said:
    Canary3d said:
    I just gotta follow this thread and see where it ends up...

    +1

    +2

    +3

  • ChristenChristen Posts: 218
    edited December 1969

    Rosie D said:
    Canary3d said:
    I just gotta follow this thread and see where it ends up...

    +1

    +2

    +3

    +4 :p

  • DogzDogz Posts: 745
    edited November 2012

    +5 .....although at this rate, the thread will just end up as a rather predicable mathematical equation. ;)

    Post edited by Dogz on
  • wancowwancow Posts: 2,708
    edited December 1969

    My question to the OP is this: if the Adult Film Industry is going to make SOOOOOO much money on 3D: why can't Adult 3D Film producers afford high end artists using sate of the art software to make their stuff?

  • MiloMilo Posts: 317
    edited December 1969

    Dealing with just the look aspect, Renderosity there is a set of products even bundled that did all of that. Actually two different sets, look up i13 overhaul and Perfect V4 Complete (the latter is a bundle)

  • TimbalesTimbales Posts: 1,214
    edited December 1969

    People really are looking for realism in their porn.

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 3,637
    edited November 2012

    @ -_Milo_- None of them do what the OP is asking. The genitals sit too deep between the buttox cheeks. You need a morph that makes them flush with the cheeks, which is what happens when you bend over. The set I mentioned does a good job at achieving that. Alternatively, you just need a morph that brings the centre of the hip group (genital area) in or out. Easily achieved with magnets or deformer brush.

    Post edited by Zev0 on
  • LedheadLedhead Posts: 1,586
    edited December 1969

    I just gotta follow this thread and see where it ends up...

    ROFLMAO

  • DogzDogz Posts: 745
    edited December 1969

    wancow said:
    My question to the OP is this: if the Adult Film Industry is going to make SOOOOOO much money on 3D: why can't Adult 3D Film producers afford high end artists using sate of the art software to make their stuff?

    probably because in reality that "SOOOOOO much" is actualy just "A bit"
    Logistically speaking - I'd imagine you can hire real actors for much less than a bunch of Maya Licences, a team of 3d artists ,a render farm and big fat electricity bill. There would be no point.
    The only reason I can see that someone would opt to make 3d porn (which i'd imagine is fairly low demand compared to the real thing) is that its very low cost to produce - thanks to the likes of Poser.

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 3,637
    edited November 2012

    Also remember people have different tastes. To some real life porn appeals to them, for others it is illustrated materials, and others prefer 3d art or animation. If these alternative mediums weren't appealing, there wouldn't be a market for it:) Ooops, I forgot to mention hentai as well lol.

    Post edited by Zev0 on
  • edited December 1969

    There are lots of products for V4 to make her more Calabasas worthy. I know there are magnets and morphs for the breasts and buttocks, and a certain other site has products for the other bits. I try not to think of what some of you are doing with this poor mesh. :red:

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 3,637
    edited November 2012

    fivecat said:
    There are lots of products for V4 to make her more Calabasas worthy. I know there are magnets and morphs for the breasts and buttocks, and a certain other site has products for the other bits. I try not to think of what some of you are doing with this poor mesh. :red:

    Adding polygons from another mesh LOL

    Post edited by Zev0 on
  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 3,302
    edited November 2012

    Dogz said:

    probably because in reality that "SOOOOOO much" is actualy just "A bit"
    Logistically speaking - I'd imagine you can hire real actors for much less than a bunch of Maya Licences, a team of 3d artists ,a render farm and big fat electricity bill. There would be no point.
    The only reason I can see that someone would opt to make 3d porn (which i'd imagine is fairly low demand compared to the real thing) is that its very low cost to produce - thanks to the likes of Poser.

    Yes to the just a bit piece.

    Yes to the fairly low demand part. More demand for drawn porn than 3d porn for good reasons.

    Yes to the part of the reason 3D porn exists is that 3D porn is cheaper to produce than getting good makeup artist to make the girl next door actually look like an elf, or the guy involved with her looking like a dragon/imp/troll.

    Both drawn and 3d porn do a better job with the fantasy elements than using real folks.

    Post edited by larsmidnatt on
  • wancowwancow Posts: 2,708
    edited December 1969

    Dogz said:
    wancow said:
    My question to the OP is this: if the Adult Film Industry is going to make SOOOOOO much money on 3D: why can't Adult 3D Film producers afford high end artists using sate of the art software to make their stuff?

    probably because in reality that "SOOOOOO much" is actualy just "A bit"
    Logistically speaking - I'd imagine you can hire real actors for much less than a bunch of Maya Licences, a team of 3d artists ,a render farm and big fat electricity bill. There would be no point.
    The only reason I can see that someone would opt to make 3d porn (which i'd imagine is fairly low demand compared to the real thing) is that its very low cost to produce - thanks to the likes of Poser.

    Oh... okay, so if poser porn makes so much money, why is he complaining? It is what it is.

  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 3,302
    edited December 1969

    Zev0 said:
    for others it is illustrated materials, and others prefer 3d art or animation.

    Ooops, I forgot to mention hentai as well lol.

    I think both of those count though ;)

  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 3,302
    edited November 2012

    wancow said:

    Oh... okay, so if poser porn makes so much money, why is he complaining? It is what it is.

    His complaint was that he wanted more support, but really he was asking the wrong company. There are other places to ask for those types of improvements.

    And Dogz said "a bit" as in not that much money. Which is probably accurate.

    So 3D Daz erotica only makes a bit of money so no point in Daz getting a piece of the pie (which they are scared of).

    Post edited by larsmidnatt on
  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 8,731
    edited November 2012

    Lets please try to remember this is a family orientated site and avoid getting involved in graphic descriptions

    Post edited by frank0314 on
  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 3,302
    edited December 1969

    Frank0314 said:
    Lets please try to remember this is a family orientated site and avoid getting involved in graphic descriptions

    Family oriented site with be-headings ;)

  • GeddGedd Posts: 2,473
    edited December 1969

    I agree, I'd like to see better quality 3d Prawns also, the ones I've seen don't look like anything I'd eat.

  • edited December 1969

    Frank0314 said:
    Lets please try to remember this is a family orientated site and avoid getting involved in graphic descriptions

    Family oriented site with be-headings ;)

    Lol. Yeah, chopped up people okay, naked people not okay.

  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 6,003
    edited December 1969

    Dogz said:

    probably because in reality that "SOOOOOO much" is actualy just "A bit"
    Logistically speaking - I'd imagine you can hire real actors for much less than a bunch of Maya Licences, a team of 3d artists ,a render farm and big fat electricity bill. There would be no point.
    The only reason I can see that someone would opt to make 3d porn (which i'd imagine is fairly low demand compared to the real thing) is that its very low cost to produce - thanks to the likes of Poser.

    Yes to the just a bit piece.

    Yes to the fairly low demand part. More demand for drawn porn than 3d porn for good reasons.

    Yes to the part of the reason 3D porn exists is that 3D porn is cheaper to produce than getting good makeup artist to make the girl next door actually look like an elf, or the guy involved with her looking like a dragon/imp/troll.

    Both drawn and 3d porn do a better job with the fantasy elements than using real folks.

    I admit, my foray onto a site with a name similar to Renderosity's was brief, but I would guess 3d adult entertainment is stalled by a few issues. The most important is not that most people don't want 3d porn, but that most 3d porn is TERRIBLE. Terribly lit, terribly rendered, and terribly animated. (I'm not a fan of all the monster rape scenarios, either, but that's a different kind of terrible.)


    The problem is not a lack of morphs to expose V4's bits. It's that attention has been paid to that rather than to the things that make a good 3d render or film.

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 3,637
    edited November 2012

    True, but to a certain degree the model must look and bend realistically. In most of these cheap animations or pics V4 bends like a plank and detracts from the overal look. I have seen some images where they were done over with postwork and was immediately way better and more convincing.

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  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 6,003
    edited December 1969

    Zev0 said:
    True, but to a certain degree the model must look and bend realistically. Im most of these cheap animations or pics V4 bends like a plank and detracts from the overal look.

    All the more reason to use Genesis. :D

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 3,637
    edited December 1969

    Zev0 said:
    True, but to a certain degree the model must look and bend realistically. Im most of these cheap animations or pics V4 bends like a plank and detracts from the overal look.

    All the more reason to use Genesis. :D

    LOL they already have.......

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