No Nude allowed...but Gore is OK??

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  • EbahrEbahr Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    MrPoser said:
    .... maybe with some thumbnail warning like other stores.

    I have nothing at all against nudity, or gore. My favorite film franchises are Nightmare on Elm Street and Halloween. I don't want my niece watching them, though, at her age and at this point in time.
    Personally, I think nudity and gore should be allowed in the store- there's a good market for them - if there were a basic filter in place, and a simple "Allowed adult content" option in the Account preferences section. Until then, I can see a no nudity stance being enforced, but for questionable items, such as gore or shock/horror themed items, a small change in the thumbnail is a perfect solution. If you click on a product called Severed Man, you would definitely expect to see a severed man. But that way it keeps the promo thumbnail off of general viewing by just browsing (and may entice others to click on the product link, just too see what the product looks like, generating further traffic and interest. Nothing screams click me like a censored tag)

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  • GhostpantherGhostpanther Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    mjc1016 said:
    I never would have thought, that the presentation of nudity and brutality in art would be explained with political circumstances ...

    There's a term for it...and it begins with PC...Political Correctness...it's what you get when you let lawyers and politicians do your thinking.

    Seems as if I can be very thankful to be grown up in a place and family, where these things never played a role :-) !

  • SockrateaseSockratease Posts: 767
    edited December 1969

    It's only humans.

    It's not like they're cutting up Cows or showing Naked Cows in suggestive situations.

    I think both Extreme Gore and Vile Pornography should be normal, and family friendly sites should carry the warnings!

    But I respect other people's rights to set their own incomprehensible standards.

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  • LedheadLedhead Posts: 1,586
    edited December 1969

    It's only humans.

    It's not like they're cutting up Cows or showing Naked Cows in suggestive situations.

    I think both Extreme Gore and Vile Pornography should be normal, and family friendly sites should carry the warnings!

    But I respect other people's rights to set their own incomprehensible standards.

    Good thing you placed the bushes to cover the bushes!

  • RawArtRawArt Posts: 2,622
    edited December 1969

    Because of all the complaints about my signature, I edited it to appeal to those of the more delicate sensitivities.
    I hope that will put some people at ease a bit.
    (for the record though...my 7yr old son has no problems with any of the images and was with me throughout the making of the product...he knows its just art and not real)

  • icprncssicprncss Posts: 3,444
    edited December 1969

    RawArt said:
    well now you are just criticizing my art....that is totally beyond the point.

    not that I have to justify my choices...but the texture on the dead guy is my corpse texture from the "Good as dead" set.

    Maybe you should add the disclaimer that no polygons were harmed in the making of the product...sorry, I couldn't resist...

  • LedheadLedhead Posts: 1,586
    edited December 1969

    icprncss said:
    RawArt said:
    well now you are just criticizing my art....that is totally beyond the point.

    not that I have to justify my choices...but the texture on the dead guy is my corpse texture from the "Good as dead" set.

    Maybe you should add the disclaimer that no polygons were harmed in the making of the product...sorry, I couldn't resist...

    Now that was just funny!

  • ZilvergrafixZilvergrafix Posts: 417
    edited November 2012

    if Gore is accepted here, maybe I must change to "Gore Hitomi with big boobs" and have the best [??] of two worlds?
    now I can understand why Smay's Nata for Genesis had the same exposure like the Halley Comet.

    what if...Genesis Kids "gorenized"?, is "gorenized" a real verb?, don't know and I don't care, but you get the point, right?

    edit: is Smay, not 3D Universe the creator of Nata, sorry! :P

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  • icprncssicprncss Posts: 3,444
    edited December 1969

    RawArt said:
    Because of all the complaints about my signature, I edited it to appeal to those of the more delicate sensitivities.
    I hope that will put some people at ease a bit.
    (for the record though...my 7yr old son has no problems with any of the images and was with me throughout the making of the product...he knows its just art and not real)

    Raw

    I like the promo with M5 as the Venus de Milo. I'll have to get this just to poke fun at couple of my old Fine Arts profs.

  • SimonJMSimonJM Posts: 2,889
    edited December 1969

    There's lots of things I don't like, both in real-life and also with 3D art. If I see something I don't like what I tend to do is ignore it. Works for me.

  • spannahspannah Posts: 0
    edited November 2012

    Quite ironic that the promo image with the female statue has the "bits" covered...

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  • KinnieMKinnieM Posts: 93
    edited December 1969

    RawArt said:
    Because of all the complaints about my signature, I edited it to appeal to those of the more delicate sensitivities.
    I hope that will put some people at ease a bit.
    (for the record though...my 7yr old son has no problems with any of the images and was with me throughout the making of the product...he knows its just art and not real)

    That's fine. My daughter is also 7 and sometimes browses this site with me. Although she would know that it's only art I still prefer her not to see that.

    And just so you can understand my partner was born and raised in Sierra Leone, West Africa where he witnessed such acts in real life during their civil war. Sometimes art is far to close to reality especially when you witness such real horrors being committed against your sisters and father and came within a hairs length of having it done to you.

    A persons view point on such an image should never be discounted as you simply don't know the reason why they would find it hard to be confronted by it.

  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 7,197
    edited December 1969

    I think I've got it all...

    Gorenized kid...boobies...dismembered cows...

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  • ZilvergrafixZilvergrafix Posts: 417
    edited December 1969

    mjc1016 said:
    I think I've got it all...

    Gorenized kid...boobies...dismembered cows...


    I need that morphs.

  • SprinklesSprinkles Posts: 0
    edited November 2012

    Interesting pictures.

    What I find disturbing is not the content after all violent films are in almost every home, but the fact that there is not even a try at providing some sort of content filter so that you have to click on a warning link before looking.

    Over and over we hear how DAZ is a family site blah blah and so certain things are not allowed blah blah.

    And even in their own forum TOS it says this …

    1.) Posts, threads, and images MUST NOT contain ANY nudity, violence, or profanity as we do not currently have flags available so that other members may filter these things out when visiting the forum.

    Yet apparently vendors are allowed to show pictures of violence.

    Seems to me there is a double standard here.

    We all know there is a huge market in violence and nudity, it’s what sells, but the whole American idea of nudity is bad but blasting your neighbour to bits is fine has always bemused me.

    If DAZ is going to allow things like this to be sold then fine but have the filters in place before you start selling on an open site and start allowing real promos, after all this is the 21st C we don’t pass out at the sight of a nipple or male organs.

    Sparkles

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  • Kendall SearsKendall Sears Posts: 1,882
    edited November 2012

    vi·o·lence/ˈvī(ə)ləns/
    Noun: Behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

    Firstly: "violence" is an act. If there were a render of someone BEING cut up, that would be violence. What is being posted here, so far is not "violence" as the cause of dismemberment could have been anything. I worked with Medical Schools for a period of time and saw Student Doctors dismember cadavers all of the time. There was no "violence" there.

    Secondly: Since we have now determined that the product and renders of the "parts" are not "violence" then there is no violation of the TOS.

    In the other thread, the first promo is on the line, and violence is implied but not in progress.

    Kendall

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  • ZilvergrafixZilvergrafix Posts: 417
    edited November 2012

    the "parts" are result of an act of violence already executed.
    I think we are leading to the stage of "beating a dead horse" the question is so simple:

    NO NUDE ALLOWED...but GORE IS OK?
    answer

    YES
    NO.

    good night fellas, goin to see some porn. %-P

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  • DaremoK3DaremoK3 Posts: 385
    edited December 1969

    And I'm sick and tired of those little flaps on coffee lids. If you don't want to spill your coffee, you shouldn't be driving with it.


    ...Yeah! Yeah!

  • Kendall SearsKendall Sears Posts: 1,882
    edited December 1969

    Maybe it is another case of UPS mishandling medical supplies :-) The guy IS dressed in brown, and he IS holding what is obviously a poor quality Katana replica wall hanger from an Online Shopping Channel. Going by his Waza he obviously couldn't have been responsible for that carnage (I teach Kenjutsu, believe me, that's a terrible stance). So maybe he's picking up the mess from another dropped set of packages. :-)

    Kendall

  • Midnight_storiesMidnight_stories Posts: 1,518
    edited December 1969

    vi·o·lence/ˈvī(ə)ləns/
    Noun: Behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

    Firstly: "violence" is an act. If there were a render of someone BEING cut up, that would be violence. What is being posted here, so far is not "violence" as the cause of dismemberment could have been anything. I worked with Medical Schools for a period of time and saw Student Doctors dismember cadavers all of the time. There was no "violence" there.

    Secondly: Since we have now determined that the product and renders of the "parts" are not "violence" then there is no violation of the TOS.

    In the other thread, the first promo is on the line, and violence is implied but not in progress.

    Kendall


    Only the depths and depravity of the human mind can turn a perfectly normal and beautiful human body and turn it into into pornography and we pass it on to the next generation who pass it on to the next and we are just too stupid to realize it. It's time to wake up and clean out that brain LOL !

  • SprinklesSprinkles Posts: 0
    edited November 2012

    Semantics Kendall.

    I assume you subscribe to the “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” school of thought so loved by Bill Clinton as well.

    The Severed man’s graphics clearly show violence done by individuals against others, whether that be actual, fantasy or implied. And the cover shot of what I assume to be a samurai holding a severed head in one hand and a sword in the other is quite graphic.

    If the first promo picture was a warning that this item shows violent content, then everyone would be happy including those who view at work and around children.

    If not we may as well throw the family site label out of the window and show everything in the same way Rendererotica does.

    Sprinkles

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 19,316
    edited December 1969

    the "parts" are result of an act of violence already executed.
    I think we are leading to the stage of "beating a dead horse" the question is so simple:

    NO NUDE ALLOWED...but GORE IS OK?
    answer

    YES
    NO.

    good night fellas, goin to see some porn. %-P

    Answer NO and NO. But a limited exception has been made for RawArt's thread.

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    As a note: while violence may strictly apply only to action, the TOS is intended to cover and will be applied to the graphic portrayal of wounds and blood - we removed an image from one of the render challenge threads recently for that reason.

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    While I'm posting, can we please drop the "in the US" element - the double-standard on violence and sex applies in many parts of the world and may well be universal: perhaps because most people have no desire to take part in actual violence and so feel safer with the fictional kind.

  • Half LifeHalf Life Posts: 101
    edited November 2012

    I think we should dismember all the freaks who like gore, and all women should be forced to walk around nude... win-win!

    Sarcasm, yet another service I provide free of charge ;-)

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  • SprinklesSprinkles Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    I am a woman of a certain age and I am quite sure that you wouldn’t wish to see either myself or my friends walking around in the nude LMAO

  • Wiccan1Wiccan1 Posts: 165
    edited December 1969

    As defined by the English Oxford University Dictionary.... I am posting this to clarity that violence is not just a physical act, it is also a feeling or emotion.

    Violence Pronunciation: /ˈvʌɪəl(ə)ns/

    Definition of violence
    noun [mass noun]

    1 Behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something:
    violence erupted in protest marches
    domestic violence against women
    the fear of physical violence
    screen violence

    Law the unlawful exercise of physical force or intimidation by the exhibition of such force.

    2 Strength of emotion or of a destructive natural force:
    the violence of her own feelings
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I am not thrilled with the Front page image myself. I would prefer one a bit more tame, The segmented body seems to be more explanatory when it comes to the product.

    I have a young son that I would prefer not to be slapped in the face with this image. As for copses in Medical dissection,,, as a medical professional who worked on bodies, I assure you any professor stresses the dignity of the human body. They are not, "hacked to bits for pleasure"

    In my opinion, it was a poor choice of a cover image. Hopefully some people at the top will have heard our voices.

    ***No disrespect to the product or PA. I am just expressing a personal opinion.

    Cheers!

  • Half LifeHalf Life Posts: 101
    edited November 2012

    Sprinkles said:
    I am a woman of a certain age and I am quite sure that you wouldn’t wish to see either myself or my friends walking around in the nude LMAO

    ;-)

    Yes that's the point, I was trying to get people to think big picture...

    Why do these things have allure? Because they are safely kept at a distance from us -- we can observe without any chance of being confronted by having it perpetrated upon us.

    Take for instance Gore -- how do you think a farm/factory worker or military person (to name a few) who lose limbs/extremities violently, feel about glamorized gore?

    Likewise take nudity -- how do you think you would feel if you were confronted by your naked grandmother, mother and sister all the time?

    In both cases it is pretty clear they lose their allure of "otherness" quickly.

    BTW women have little need for such a lesson because they generally have more sense, and also are not as visually driven sexually.

    For those of extreme fetish type -- Next time you find something oddly appealing imagine it being perpetrated on you against you will (this takes empathy I know) and I bet you will not find it so attractive. There are always individuals who are psychological outliers, but hopefully natural/social selection deals with this quickly.

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  • Satira CapriccioSatira Capriccio Posts: 522
    edited December 1969

    I'd rather not see my grandfather walking around nude.

    But then, my grandfather has been dead for more than 40 years ...

    Which ... I guess ... would make him a zombie if he were walking around nude.

    Half Life said:
    Sprinkles said:
    I am a woman of a certain age and I am quite sure that you wouldn’t wish to see either myself or my friends walking around in the nude LMAO

    ;-)

    Yes that's the point, I was trying to get people to think big picture...

    Why do these things have allure? Because they are safely kept at a distance from us -- we can observe without any chance of being confronted by having it perpetrated upon us.

    Take for instance Gore -- how do you think a farm/factory worker or military person (to name a few) who lose limbs/extremities violently, feel about glamorized gore?

    Likewise take nudity -- how do you think you would feel if you were confronted by your naked grandmother, mother and sister all the time?

    In both cases it is pretty clear they lose their allure of "otherness" quickly.

    BTW women have little need for such a lesson because they generally have more sense, and also are not as visually driven sexually.

    For those of extreme fetish type -- Next time you find something oddly appealing imagine it being perpetrated on you against you will (this takes empathy I know) and I bet you will not find it so attractive. There are always individuals who are psychological outliers, but hopefully natural/social selection deals with this quickly.

  • caravellecaravelle Posts: 584
    edited November 2012

    i find it upsetting that it's a white guy chopped up. makes it so clearly not fantasy violence, like zombie apocalypse
    Why 'a white guy'? Would it be any better if the person was black or brown?

    Though I like RAW Art's models and own some of them I too take offense in this chopped up person. Why doesn't DAZ follow Renderosity's good example and have a content advisory on every picture which could cause offense? General content filters are not neccessary.

    DAZ, as any internet company, is operating worldwide. Therefore not only the US, for many other nations sometimes really bizarre standards should be respected.

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  • KickAir 8PKickAir 8P Posts: 1,843
    edited November 2012

    the "parts" are result of an act of violence already executed.
    I think we are leading to the stage of "beating a dead horse" the question is so simple:

    NO NUDE ALLOWED...but GORE IS OK?
    answer

    YES
    NO.

    good night fellas, goin to see some porn. %-P


    Answer NO and NO. But a limited exception has been made for RawArt's thread . . .

    And its great that RawArt's changed his sigline graphic so gory severed limbs aren't scattered through a bunch of other threads (thanks RawArt!). But currently everybody still has to browse by his violently and bloodily TOS-violating promo pic every time they visit the store. There's already a couple of non-violating (or at least less-violating) promo pics up for this (like the one I've posted below) that could be swapped into the main-promo slot from home in a couple minutes by somebody with the access, which we know some DAZzlers have. So why hasn't this been done already?

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  • Cybersox13Cybersox13 Posts: 2,969
    edited December 1969

    Which ... I guess ... would make him a zombie if he were walking around nude.

    Which brings up the ever-popular subject of Zombie Porn! (They're quite good at it, surprisingly. Granted, the zomgals tend to just lie there like they're dead, but that doesn't matter to the Zomguys because... wait for it... they're always a little stiff.)

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