Digital Imaging Thread IV

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  • pumecopumeco Posts: 0
    edited September 2012

    Sorry Hank, I hope you don't think I was being funny, I really do have a some major crap to deal with right now, and believe me, I'd much rather be in the position to relax and post here!

    I'm sorry to hear how things have been going, and I hope things turn right for you (and your family) at the earliest opportunity. I'm not happy the way things are going right now either, but I can see an end to it, so that's what keeps the spirit up. Chin up mate ;-)

    Regards the B&W, I have to say I preferred the toning of the previous one, looks somehow more of a uniform and clean tone. All I will say is watch out for sharpening, in fact, if you're simulating film in this way, don't use it at all because you never had any sharpening on your film photos. I can pick-up the sharpening too easy on this one, whereas the first one looks better. Sharpening can make things look digital.

    I've added your pic to my post due to the page break:

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  • HokuleaHokulea Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    No worries mate, I've got my chin up and I am persevering. These troubles will pass. Hope things get better for you as well.

    I don't do any sharpening in Ps. Must have been an artifact that was introduced when I scaled the image to post here. Made a few adjustments to tonality and used bicubic-smoothing during reduction this time. Probably used bicubic-sharpening before.

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  • pumecopumeco Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    Looks better than before, and BTW, if you happen to shoot JPEG, don't forget to switch the sharpening off on the camera, because in-camera sharpening is often bad. Panasonic are the worst offenders for sharpening, but Canon are almost as bad sometimes!

  • GeddGedd Posts: 2,473
    edited October 2012

    Beautiful pictures Bjornlo, Horo, TheSavage64, and Hokulea. I have to voice a different opinion then that of pumeco, Bjornlo... I think the images are not overdone. This is a matter of taste and I tend to like a lot of color and impact in my images. I also like Van Gogh so...

    I remember a long time ago seeing prints done from Ektachrome where the colors were so hyper-saturated... I had never seen anything as amazing and I've never forgotten it. I tend to hyper-saturate my images often, it is an artistic statement by me to produce the desired effect, so I obviously go way beyond what pumeco is referring to in your images. A lot of the most popular images going around in the public sphere (like fb etc..) are like this also, which shows that a lot of people like images where the color pops much more than if one was actually 'there.'

    There is one thing I notice. The gravel in the tractor scene is hyper-sharpened. That can add energy to a scene or be jarring. It is the type of thing people react to without even realizing what they are reacting to. I have noticed that type of effect especially with a high 'clarity' in camera raw. I don't think the effect is good or bad, just one needs to be aware that like hyper-saturation, it can effect different people differently.

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  • BeamerpedBeamerped Posts: 12
    edited October 2012

    Len said:
    @Dan
    Do not flatter yourself, peasant!

    I only spotted it because I noticed your comment on a Canon Anamorphic video, and thought to myself, I wonder what Peasant Dan is doing during the silence?

    Great stuff, the footage definitely has a more professional feel to it thanks to the rig you made. I also like where you decide to start and stop the movement. Anyway, best of luck with the College course, sounds very cool, especially as you’ll likely get to use fancy rigs and stuff.
    Thanks! The dolly was a devil to put together, but it was definitely satisfying when I was done.

    @Hokulea
    Sorry to hear about that. Prayers and well-wishes going your way!

    Hokulea said:
    Not quite satisfied with the B&W tonality but I’m learning. My film of choice for many years was Kodak’s Tri-X which I developed in the bathroom when I couldn’t rent a darkroom. I exposed Tri-X at ISO’s ranging from 100 to 3200 and could get near grainless 8 x 10 prints most of the time. Still a ways off from similar results as far as tonality goes with digital.

    I've shot several rolls of Tri-X. It really is versatile like you said, but I actually don't care much for it's grain structure. For sure it's almost grainless, but not as sharp as it could be. Ilford's line of Delta films (100, 400, 3200) is where it's at IMO. Just insanely sharp, and soulful tonality.

    I remember a long time ago seeing prints done from Ektachrome where the colors were so hyper-saturated… I had never seen anything as amazing and I’ve never forgotten it.


    It might sadden you to know that unfortunately Ektachrome was discontinued about a year ago, but it can still be found in 2 varieties: E100G (Grain-free) and E100VS (Vivid Saturation). It's a good film, with natural-looking but bold colors. However, I'll get along without it since Fuji Velvia 100 has stronger colors anyways.

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  • BeamerpedBeamerped Posts: 12
    edited December 1969

    By the way, the forum software wouldn't let me manually inset quotes without a date attribute. How the software generates the number used for it I don't know, so I just put empty quote marks in. It interpreted that as zero, so now it looks like I'm keeping score for a game. Anybody know how to fix that?

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 19,883
    edited October 2012

    You mean you want to do it like this


    Beamerped
    By the way, the forum software wouldn’t let me manually inset quotes without a date attribute. How the software generates the number used for it I don’t know, so I just put empty quote marks in. It interpreted that as zero, so now it looks like I’m keeping score for a game. Anybody know how to fix that?

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  • BeamerpedBeamerped Posts: 12
    edited October 2012

    Thanks, chohole; that'll work.

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  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 19,883
    edited December 1969

    That was done using the quote thingummy next to the bold/italic/underline wotsits, just adding the name manually.

  • pumecopumeco Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    Is there a way to embed images into the body of the text yet?

    I was wondering because if there is, I could assign some macros on my computer so that I can easily insert the old style smileys. After all this time, it doesn't look as if DAZ is going to put the old smileys back, and they've not even added them to the list of current ones, so any other way to use the old smileys would be great.

    If there was a way to insert images into the body of text, we would effectively be able to use the far superior smileys again!

  • StuartBStuartB Posts: 348
    edited December 1969

    Been looking at old black and white photos that people have colourized lately and thought I'd go the other way.
    Using the colour replacement tool in Photoshop.

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  • pumecopumeco Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    The red pocket-rocket reminds me of fun times I had when I owned an MG Metro, I loved driving that thing!

  • pumecopumeco Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    PS: Nice photo's Dan, they all look contemplated rather than just shot :-)

  • donchan1donchan1 Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    taken with nikon fe 400 iso kentmere

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  • BeamerpedBeamerped Posts: 12
    edited December 1969


    donchan1
    taken with nikon fe 400 iso kentmere

    Very cool. Street photography is something I'm trying to get more into. Are you developing this yourself?


    StuartB4
    Been looking at old black and white photos that people have colourized lately and thought I’d go the other way.
    Using the colour replacement tool in Photoshop.

    That's pretty surreal - at first glance I noticed the windows were desaturated, but took me a moment to realize surroundings were too!


    pumeco
    PS: Nice photo’s Dan, they all look contemplated rather than just shot :-)


    Thanks Len! The grassy hill is really the only one that was "contemplated" as you put it. With the rest - especially the family shots - all you can do is set yourself up and wait for some fun to happen.

  • donchan1donchan1 Posts: 0
    edited October 2012

    Very cool. Street photography is something I’m trying to get more into. Are you developing this yourself?

    Thanks I develop my own b&w film then scan using my own film scanner(photoshop retouch), heres another one taken with Olympus SPN chrome (rare one) + kentmere 400
    http://www.cameraquest.com/olysp.htm


    (dining room)
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    last one using my digital compact camera on a subway
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  • pumecopumeco Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    A Japanese, I just spotted a Japanese!!!

    Welcome to the thread, donchan :-)
    Now, post some more Japanese, please!

  • BeamerpedBeamerped Posts: 12
    edited November 2012

    So at school I was told about a film festival in the area called the City and Neighborhood Film Festival. Entries are up to 3 minutes long, and portray a single neighborhood within the larger Twin Cities area of Minnesota (and and a bit of Wisconsin). Here's my entry. Top prize is $2,000, so wish me luck!

    https://vimeo.com/52667333

    BTW, I had to rush to get mine in for the deadline, so here's the more polished version I would've submitted if I could. Basically I cropped out the sprockets in the corners, and changed the editing a bit at the end.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZSDICzbVBU

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  • David BrinnenDavid Brinnen Posts: 2,852
    edited December 1969

    Beamerped said:
    So at school I was told about a film festival in the area called the City and Neighborhood Film Festival. Entries are up to 3 minutes long, and portray a single neighborhood within the larger Twin Cities area of Minnesota (and and a bit of Wisconsin). Here's my entry. Top prize is $2,000, so wish me luck!

    https://vimeo.com/52667333

    BTW, I had to rush to get mine in for the deadline, so here's the more polished version I would've submitted if I could. Basically I cropped out the sprockets in the corners, and changed the editing a bit at the end.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZSDICzbVBU

    Good luck! Nice place to make a film. And this is real film film? Not digital film? I'm taking that from the talk of light leak and loading? Of course you could have added the effect in afterwards I suppose? And grain. The final sequence where you are looking over the shoulder of the jogger sat on the end of the jetty I particularly liked, did you zoom in for that or move closer? Or both, I couldn't decide, but it was an interesting shot. Sort of creepy almost?

  • HoroHoro Posts: 4,347
    edited December 1969

    Good work, Beamer, all the luck.

  • BeamerpedBeamerped Posts: 12
    edited December 1969

    Thanks David and Horo!


    And this is real film film? Not digital film? I'm taking that from the talk of light leak and loading? Of course you could have added the effect in afterwards I suppose? And grain. The final sequence where you are looking over the shoulder of the jogger sat on the end of the jetty I particularly liked, did you zoom in for that or move closer? Or both, I couldn't decide, but it was an interesting shot. Sort of creepy almost?

    Yep, this is real 16mm film (half the size of professional 35mm). For that final shot the camera moved closer on a dolly (platform on wheels, on PVC pipe for track). This I had built several months ago, very similar to this one:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyguAKPaTP4

    I wasn't going for a creepy feeling so much as a relaxing, contemplating feel. But hey if that's the vibe you got, maybe I should have tried something else. Thanks for the feedback!

  • David BrinnenDavid Brinnen Posts: 2,852
    edited December 1969

    Beamerped said:
    Thanks David and Horo!


    And this is real film film? Not digital film? I'm taking that from the talk of light leak and loading? Of course you could have added the effect in afterwards I suppose? And grain. The final sequence where you are looking over the shoulder of the jogger sat on the end of the jetty I particularly liked, did you zoom in for that or move closer? Or both, I couldn't decide, but it was an interesting shot. Sort of creepy almost?

    Yep, this is real 16mm film (half the size of professional 35mm). For that final shot the camera moved closer on a dolly (platform on wheels, on PVC pipe for track). This I had built several months ago, very similar to this one:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyguAKPaTP4

    I wasn't going for a creepy feeling so much as a relaxing, contemplating feel. But hey if that's the vibe you got, maybe I should have tried something else. Thanks for the feedback!

    Ah... I imagine it must take a long time to set all this up and put together a film? As for the vibe, well, don't worry I'm no film critic and besides my favourite genre is SF horror, so I'm always willing something nasty to happen - preferably involving a green bug eyed monster. But that's the shot that stood out for me, that and all the wonderful Autumnal colours, light and scenery.

  • pumecopumeco Posts: 0
    edited November 2012

    Well I have to say I love the look of it, Dan, very nice, bloody nice in fact - yummy!

    I have to admit I envy the use of real film but I don't envy the inconvenience of developing it. B&W stills was as far as I was prepared to go where developing is concerned, and that was only because I could develop it at home. I've never looked into whether it's possible to buy the equipment cheap enough to develop a cinema reel at home though, and things might have been different if I had if it's cheap enough (used, I mean).

    Can't comment on the footage you filmed because I don't know your area so I don't know if you covered enough aspects of it for such a project, but one thing I do know is that you definitely have a talent for placement and scene composition, there is absolutely no doubt about that, knew that even from the first video you uploaded from the D90.

    Great closing shot, peasant, and very pro, best of luck!

    Now, I have a bunch of Brinnen videos to get through, only managed the first one last night and my brain is already fried!

    PS: Saw the new Bond movie last night and thought it was quite cool. However, the opening titles weren't sexy enough and that's sort of expected from a Bond movie. My Spore didn't even twitch at it. The opening track was ok, quite Bond-like, but the closing track was an absolute piece of junk, it was about as Bond-like as knitting.

    Pisses me off when things like that happen, because I suspect whoever wrote/performed it had friends in high places. It was just an utterly plain, boring piece of music that didn't have any hook to it whatsoever and certainly does not belong on a Bond movie. It was the first time I never bothered sitting through the credits. It was like a built-in demo you find on a home keyboard or something.

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  • canyonmanterrycanyonmanterry Posts: 0
    edited November 2012

    @Hokulea. If I drive to Flagstaff on US180 I will get to see that same shot. I live here at the Grand Canyon. great stuff

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  • BeamerpedBeamerped Posts: 12
    edited November 2012


    Ah... I imagine it must take a long time to set all this up and put together a film?

    I'd say shooting it definitely takes more time, because it involves loading film, winding up the camera after every 25 seconds, and double-checking I have focus and aperture correct. Editing isn't anything special though, since I'm editing a digital scan anyways. If were using a flatbed editor and physically cutting it, that would be a different story.

    @Len
    Thanks for the compliments! I totally see where you're coming from. The whole lab "inconvenience" was working against me. Basically Hurricane Sandy screwed my lab over, and was a day late in getting my film out. I had to ask the director of the film festival if he could accept my entry a day late in light of the circumstances, which he did, thank goodness. Shooting and processing film on a tight schedule is a pain, but in the end I felt it was worth it.

    I just saw Skyfall last night, and loved it. I kept in mind your comment about the closing credits, and it indeed sounded boring to start out, so I didn't bother staying.

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  • eireann.sgeireann.sg Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    boat picture

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  • pumecopumeco Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    @Dan
    When you say "my lab" you mean the lab you use, or your lab?
    Hope it wasn't too bad if it caught your house.

    @eireann.sg
    Wow, that's some houseboat, and a good pic!

  • BeamerpedBeamerped Posts: 12
    edited December 1969

    pumeco said:
    @Dan
    When you say "my lab" you mean the lab you use, or your lab?
    Hope it wasn't too bad if it caught your house.

    "My lab" is Cinelab in Massachusetts (East coast). Hahaha no we don't get many hurricanes in Minnesota, being right smack in the middle of a continent. But in all seriousness, one arm of the storm actually reached Wisconsin, just a few hours drive from here. Sandy was one effin' huge system.

  • BeamerpedBeamerped Posts: 12
    edited December 1969

    One of my 16mm projects at school (silent).

    Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/53571689
    Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc3MPHn4Oac

  • pumecopumeco Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    Looking good again, Dan, and I tell you what, I could see very clearly, that effect I was trying to explain before and none of you believed me.

    That flicker effect the tubes were simulating on that bike video was clearly visible in your video, too. If you look especially at the part where he's messing with the wheel, you can see the flicker very clearly all over the bodywork! I don't care what you say this time, you must be crazy if you can't see it, there is definitely a flicker that is either down to the shutter of the camera or the equipment they used to transfer your film (possibly both).

    It is something that is being ignored by all those software packages out there that are simulating film. Just remember who told you they're missing the flicker effect when it finally dawns upon those that makes such software - and suddenly, it's everywhere. There is definitely a flicker visible whenever film is in use, so you peasants need to get a monitor with a faster response time if you cannot see it.

    It's one of the things that makes film look like film when you simulate it, and when it is missing, we know something is wrong. While I'm on the subject I might as well also point out that I finally figured out what's special about the D90 (100% confident). I mentioned that for the most part it was actually the Nikon lens that made the D90 look good, and it is, but it still manages to have something the others don't even when you're not using a Nikon lens on it. So what is it?

    It's actually down to how bad the compression is on the footage itself, and the likeness is made because cinema often uses anamorphic lenses. And how do they connect? When you defocus an anamorphic lens just slightly, you get a slightly stretched bokeh, and it's that slightly out of focus bokeh that the D90 is unwittingly imitating due to how muddy it's footage looks. The only difference is that the muddyness of the codec looks as if the bokeh is stretched in all directions. In other words, one of the D90's biggest problems (codec quality) is unwittingly giving a desirable aesthetic: one that gives the vague impression of the bokeh you get from a slightly defocused anamorphic cinema lens.

    As far as I'm concerned, the D90 aesthetic is now dissected (I was 100% determined to do that, and I learnt a few things doing so).

    Anyway, back to your filmmaking, hurry up and make an atmospheric Horror Film like Eraser Head, or a directorial masterpiece like Night on Earth. Oh, and stop trying to kill your sister on the hammock you evil bazzard (yes, I spotted the other video) :-D

    I know sisters can be a pain in the arse, but If you kill her, you'll have less actors to film, peasant!

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