Banditcameraman's renders

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  • 3dLux3dLux Posts: 737
    edited December 1969

    Tweaked the ball again

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  • IvyIvy Posts: 1,693
    edited December 1969

    now all he needs is a B-ball court and some guys to play with :) nice work

  • JaderailJaderail Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    Tweaked the ball again
    This looks very good to me. I think you hit the nail on the head.

  • 3dLux3dLux Posts: 737
    edited December 1969

    Thank you so much Ivy, Jad :cheese:

    Your input helped a great deal Jad; can't thank you enough :-)

    I'll composit the render into the poster design next.

    And he's a she, Ivy :lol: Though the androgyny is the whole point of the story ;-P

  • 3dLux3dLux Posts: 737
    edited December 1969

    And here's the revised concept Poster :cheese:

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  • JaderailJaderail Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    LOL! I like.

  • 3dLux3dLux Posts: 737
    edited December 1969

    I'm glad. Thank you so much for the help, Jad :cheese:

    8 years in advertising wasn't wasted ;-P :lol:

  • JaderailJaderail Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    I'm glad. Thank you so much for the help, Jad :cheese:

    8 years in advertising wasn't wasted ;-P :lol:

    Baw Ha ha... Thats so close. 7 years in Commercial Art and then spent my life selling groceries for the steady money. Be good, Post renders more soon.

  • 3dLux3dLux Posts: 737
    edited October 2012

    Jaderail said:
    Baw Ha ha... Thats so close. 7 years in Commercial Art and then spent my life selling groceries for the steady money. Be good, Post renders more soon.

    Dude! :cheese:

    That so rocks :lol: After advertising I went to film school and in 1997 became a production professional (doing corporate videos mostly ;-P ) Work hasn't always been steady so now I teach and am currently on the movie and TV ratings board, the local equivalent of the MPAA ratings board.

    Am working on something for the Monthly competition and my next post here will make use of your DOF tuts :cheese:

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  • 3dLux3dLux Posts: 737
    edited October 2012

    I wound up using the DOF in my October contest WIP entry but I’ll explore it in more depth in my next series of exercises.

    Making an entry for the contest reminded me of an important principle which I had forgotten:

    light the set first, then the actors. No wonder I’d been going nuts trying to get good lighting with a pool party scene I’d been practicing on

    After trying different lights for each “camera setup” I went with the “sun” which was composed of several lights and just kept turning them off till I got the light/shadow mix that I wanted then played around with the light intensity as needed.

    Renders of a girl on an airbed. Pretty straight forward, considering I had to bring the levels way down for blondie since she’s so light
    skinned. Actually increased the levels for the brunette.

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  • 3dLux3dLux Posts: 737
    edited October 2012

    Because the two girls have different skin tones it became a matter of dialing the key light's intensity down to minimize hot spots:

    (I don't know why the attachments keep appearing in reverse order unless they're sorted according to file size :shut:)

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  • 3dLux3dLux Posts: 737
    edited December 1969

    And this scene is the one I'm the least satisfied with :shut: Not happy with how the Twins' faces came out and even tried using a point light :-S

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  • edited December 1969

    To my eye, the "twins" scene looks like it could use some colorful ambient light. Currently, the shadows are kinda neutral gray-to-black, which to me produces a strange effect, especially on skintones. Assuming you're using DS4, there are some good HDR presets included for UberEnvironment2. The KHPark one is a good start for daylight, obviously, but some of the others can work well for daytime if you turn down the saturation. And even making your own fuzzy abstract custom lighting image isn't too onerous, if you check it by wrapping it around the EnvironmentSphere once in a while, as you go along.

    Alan

  • 3dLux3dLux Posts: 737
    edited December 1969

    Tanks for the advice, Alan :-)

    I have to say though, after going over your thread (Alan's Laboratory), this suggestion and spneding about 6 hours trying to figure Daz Lighting out, I still have no idea what your talking about :red: I do understand what you mean about the color of the shadows and such, and in the real world I'd know how to address in if I were lighting a scene, but here I'm stumped.

    I suck :shut:

    I have a lot to learn, which is cool, but where should I start to be able to understand lighting in Daz :-S

  • JaderailJaderail Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    Your doing very well, Lighting in 3D any 3D is the hardest part to learn and get right from image to image even when you have that AH HA moment with lights. Time and playing will get you to the place you want to be.

  • SpyroRueSpyroRue Posts: 4,924
    edited December 1969

    And here's the revised concept Poster :cheese:

    LMAO!! Haha! That's cool man!

    Love your renders dude, really cool!

  • edited December 1969

    Tanks for the advice, Alan :-)

    I have to say though, after going over your thread (Alan's Laboratory), this suggestion and spneding about 6 hours trying to figure Daz Lighting out, I still have no idea what your talking about :red: I do understand what you mean about the color of the shadows and such, and in the real world I'd know how to address in if I were lighting a scene, but here I'm stumped.

    I suck :shut:

    I have a lot to learn, which is cool, but where should I start to be able to understand lighting in Daz :-S

    Dang it, this is definitely not your fault-- I tried for "brief," and achieved "incomprehensible" instead. 8^/*

    There was a really helpful thread by adamr001 on UberEnvironment 2 in the old forum, wherein he explored what all those mysterious Uber sliders do. If you don't mind doing some grunt work to see the images--- as always, kind of important in a tutorial thread--- it's still well worth a read. (Note: There's a script, "mcjArchiView," by mcasual that's supposed to automate some of that work for you; I just downloaded it today, so I guess I'll give it a try.)

    Beyond that, a basic "UberEnvironment2 + 1 spot" lighting rig sounds a good next topic for the Lab. I'll go toss in a starter post...

    Alan

  • 3dLux3dLux Posts: 737
    edited December 1969

    Thank you so much, Jad, Spyro and Alan.

    Jad, I hope your feeling better.

    I was actually very close to quitting because although I had gotten Interjection and Reality 2 months ago, I hadn't been able to make them work and felt like a total failure :shut:

    To have people like y'all, whose work I admire and respect, encourage me kept me going :)

    Then I had a breakthrough with Reality and because I couldn't put it up here it went to my deviantart gallery :lol:

    I did a Reality render of "Charlie" from Dude Looks Like a Lady. I need to figure out a way of how I can do proper "greenscreening" so I can properly composit her in PS for the poster.

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  • 3dLux3dLux Posts: 737
    edited December 1969

    Rendering in Reality is a whole different ballgame, it seems.

    Before I go into that, a good rule of thumb (at least based on my rendering experience) is this: Render in Daz for a more painterly vibe and in Reality for a more photoreal approach. That's probably oversimplifying it and doubtless more experience will add nuances.

    But for the present, it's why I like The Magic Hour (my first render). It has a kinda early Boris Vallejo vibe to it and Unhappily Ever After, where I was going for a romance novel/Victorian gothic feel.

    Rendering in Daz also seems to require more lights to get the desired effect. Of course it's possible to render without lights--if you want a flat waxy look :lol:

    In Reality, I've found it possible to get by on one light. In the previous render the source was a single softbox from the reality set.

    But the key (pun intended) in Reality is knowing how to use the Camera tab: there are Film Response and Exposure Control options (as well as a DOF, which I haven't used yet) and this seems to be key to getting a good render.

    But even before that, the first step seems to be calibrating scene elements in the Materials tab. I learned the hard way that the default values need major tweaking :shut: Fortunately there's a preview window so you can see the results.

    Having done that the Camera tab is where it comes together. I've learned (again the hard way ;-P) that if the render doesn't look good when it first starts to resolve, then it's not going to get better :red:

    And this tab is where my training and experience as a cinematographer comes in useful. The Film Response pull down menu offers a choice of film stock. This will be immediately understandable to those with at least some experience in using celluloid: the film's lattitude, how "forgiving" it is in being "pushed" or "pulled".

    The Exposure Control option is where you can "rate" the film to "push' or "pull" it and the f/stop is how much light you want to let in for high or low contrast. I leave the shutter speed at 1/60 to be safe.

    The render above, which is in a studio setting, shows that I'm using "fast" film (rated at 800), have "pushed" it to 1000 and am shooting wide open at 2.0.

    The resulting render is high key/low con with shadows that have a lovely wrapping effect on the figure. I also set her uniform to velvet so it has the quality of that material instead of the default glossy.

  • 3dLux3dLux Posts: 737
    edited October 2012

    After almost a week of immersing myself in Reality, I think I'm starting to get the hang of it.

    I still have a really long way to go :red: My experience as a cameraman serves me in good stead because the lighting's physics based and I have some familiarity with Kodak film stock and how to expose it for a movie camera.

    After several days of playing around I was finally able to solve the Twins by the pool problem. The first step in the solution had nothing to do with lighting or cameras-- I repositioned their heads and changed their expressions :red:

    Then the work began. Trying out different "film stock", pushing (overexposing) and pulling (underexposing) and opening up or closing "the lens".

    Big advantage of Reality is using the sun is great for Day Exteriors; it's the only light I needed (for this scene).

    Settings:

    Film Response: Kodachrome 25 - Went with a "slow" film because while the latitude is narrow, when properly exposed the colors are rich and vibrant.

    Exposure Control-

    Film ISO 25 - rated it straight; no pushing or pulling.
    Shutter speed - 1/125; while 1/60 is the default shutter speed (equivalent to a cinecamera's 24 fps) Kodachrome really shines with a faster shutter speed.
    f/stop 11.0- the sweet spot, found it by bracketing test renders.

    Total render time: 24 hours.

    The result: an improvement over earlier attempts.

    EDIT: It seems that 1/50 is the closest shutter speed to 24 fps but that option isn't available in Exposure Control. 1/60 is the default shutter speed for photography, though :red:

    CORRECTION: Checked my other renders, the shutter speed here is 1/60 :red: Colors under 1/125 are more vivid. Will post render when it's done. :P

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  • edited December 1969

    Oh yeah, that's the stuff! Check out the ambient in those shadows... Glad to see Reality->Luxrender started cooperating for you; it has a solid reputation for being friendly to real-world photographers.

    Also, thanks for the nudge to expand on my cryptic UberEnvironment note-- it's always enlightening to try to explain what you think you've learned on a topic. :lol:

    cheers
    Alan

  • 3dLux3dLux Posts: 737
    edited December 1969

    alanscape said:
    Oh yeah, that's the stuff! Check out the ambient in those shadows... Glad to see Reality->Luxrender started cooperating for you; it has a solid reputation for being friendly to real-world photographers.

    Also, thanks for the nudge to expand on my cryptic UberEnvironment note-- it's always enlightening to try to explain what you think you've learned on a topic. :lol:

    cheers
    Alan

    Thank you so much, Alan :-)

    You're very welcome and will check out your lab on the UberEnvironment; I've been messing around with Reality for about a week and want to add other techniques to my quiver :lol:

    As mentioned in the correction, the shutter speed of the Twins at the Pool was 1/60 not 1/125. Waiting on a render of that now (7 hours so far) and am really pleased with the colors, especially the skin tones :cheese:

    And Reality was being ornery because I was using LuxRender 1.1, which Daz didn't recognize (seems it's for Blender :red: ), and the old version that it did wasn't recognized by Reality 2.5, which is needed by Daz 4.5. Paolo got back to me really quickly and once I uninstalled the old Lux and reinstalled 1.0 it was good to go :lol:

  • 3dLux3dLux Posts: 737
    edited December 1969

    I know why I've been confused about identifying the shutter speeds of the Reality renders :P

    The Reality render of the twins was calibrated at 1/60 originally, as I had thought. But when I did a Reality render of the blonde I wasn't happy at all with the way it came out.

    After 2 test renders (playing around with the f/stop) I adjusted her position. Still wasn't happy, so I moved the sun. It started coming out better but I still wasn't satisfied.

    Then I wiki'd Kodachrome and that's where I found out the tip about brilliant colors coming from a "fairly high shutter speed"; in cinematography we get that by opening up half a stop to a stop.

    So I reset the shutter speed from 1/60 to 1/25.

    And as soon as it started to render, I'm like "Whoa!" :gulp:

    Still need to sort somethings out (due to some weird artfacting) but it's way better than the original.

    Renders attached are the original 3Delight render and the WIP Reality render.

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  • 3dLux3dLux Posts: 737
    edited November 2012

    Here's the render of the Twins at the Pool with shutter speed 1/125 , render time 24 hours, no post-work :cheese:

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  • GreyMouser69GreyMouser69 Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    Much better! I thought the last one looked a tad washed out in brightly lit areas.

    BTW, you do know that with lux you don't have to re-render in order to change things like f-stop, shutter speed, film speed, film response, etc. don't you? You can just load the .flm file in lux from the previous render and then you can adjust to your heart's content. You just have to wait a bit until lux updates with your new settings but it is a whole lot faster than re-doing a whole render from the beginning.

  • 3dLux3dLux Posts: 737
    edited December 1969

    Thank you so much, Mouser :cheese:

    I had heard of it but wasn't sure how it worked. The User's Guide has been slow going for me and after reading your suggestion it turned out that I was a few pages away from it :lol: I've been doing as you suggested in my latest "experiements" when I have multiple LuxRender windows open and am looking for the best settings :-)

  • 3dLux3dLux Posts: 737
    edited December 1969

    So I've been Immersing myself in Reality over the long weekend and I finally got my head around the dof:cheese: It turns out I was using too shallow an f/stop for my dof tests and for a couple of days the girl I was rendering looked like a Slenderman :shut: I'd even got to Pret-a-3d forums and found a thread on dof, but the solution didn't work-- because I didn't now my dof was too shallow.

    I finally skipped ahead to the relevant section in the User's Guide, gritted my teeth and used those settings --- and it worked!

    Here are the results, I'll post them in a separate entry observations.

  • 3dLux3dLux Posts: 737
    edited November 2012

    Settings:

    Focal length: 65 mm

    Light source: Sun, Mesh light (key), softbox (fill)

    Set focus: Left eye

    Film Response: Kodachrome 25

    Exposure control: Rated same, shutter speed 1/124, f/11

    Dof: as noted on the render

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  • GreyMouser69GreyMouser69 Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    Any time sir! I do have an advantage in that I purchased the reality bundle when I bought it which includes the make your own reality video tutorial series which explains a great deal of things about reality and lux in detail.

  • 3dLux3dLux Posts: 737
    edited November 2012

    Any time sir! I do have an advantage in that I purchased the reality bundle when I bought it which includes the make your own reality video tutorial series which explains a great deal of things about reality and lux in detail.

    Coolness :cheese: That's the next purchase for me when I have more disposable income, the PC anniversary sale.... well you know :-P :lol:
    :red:

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