Bye Bye Daz3d

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  • Cyn ArtCyn Art Posts: 0
    edited September 2012

    Since Daz has moved all hysterically to Genesis I'm afraid the site have nothing to offer for me. So I will not renew my membership like many others. I have been a member for many years and really love V3-V4 and poser stuff, the platinum club stuff has decreased dramatically and not releasing props like they used to do.And I'm not a DS person. This is so sad, cause I enjoy this store. Good luck!
    Victor

    I think if you will stick with us over the next couple of months, you will be very pleasantly surprised with the direction we are going with Genesis. I can't give any details, but you Poser users will be in heaven. Stay tuned to the DAZ 3D Channel.

    What about DS3A users? Will it include a relief for US? (Please answer this . . . or give a page number, because I'm not able to read 10 pages at this time. Thanks. :) )

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  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 3,294
    edited September 2012

    Cyn Art said:
    Since Daz has moved all hysterically to Genesis I'm afraid the site have nothing to offer for me. So I will not renew my membership like many others. I have been a member for many years and really love V3-V4 and poser stuff, the platinum club stuff has decreased dramatically and not releasing props like they used to do.And I'm not a DS person. This is so sad, cause I enjoy this store. Good luck!
    Victor

    I think if you will stick with us over the next couple of months, you will be very pleasantly surprised with the direction we are going with Genesis. I can't give any details, but you Poser users will be in heaven. Stay tuned to the DAZ 3D Channel.

    What about DS3A users? Will it include a relief for US? (Please answer this . . . or give a page number, because I'm not able to read 10 pages at this time. Thanks. :) )

    What are you expecting realistically? What "relief" do you seek? While I understand the poser community's position. There are people using new version of poser who would like to try the new genesis figure. Daz isn't about to support genesis in their old software.

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  • SpyroRueSpyroRue Posts: 4,951
    edited December 1969

    Cyn Art said:
    Since Daz has moved all hysterically to Genesis I'm afraid the site have nothing to offer for me. So I will not renew my membership like many others. I have been a member for many years and really love V3-V4 and poser stuff, the platinum club stuff has decreased dramatically and not releasing props like they used to do.And I'm not a DS person. This is so sad, cause I enjoy this store. Good luck!
    Victor

    I think if you will stick with us over the next couple of months, you will be very pleasantly surprised with the direction we are going with Genesis. I can't give any details, but you Poser users will be in heaven. Stay tuned to the DAZ 3D Channel.

    What about DS3A users? Will it include a relief for US? (Please answer this . . . or give a page number, because I'm not able to read 10 pages at this time. Thanks. :) )

    It might be worthwhile for you to give Daz 4.5 Pro a go, seems as though it's still free. I seriously doubt they would release any updates for out dated software. I was in your shoes not to long ago... And I was very much amazed with DS 4.5. There are MANY improvements! And genesis has totally became my most cherished figure! :)

  • KickAir 8PKickAir 8P Posts: 1,843
    edited December 1969

    Spyro said:
    Cyn Art said:
    Since Daz has moved all hysterically to Genesis I'm afraid the site have nothing to offer for me. So I will not renew my membership like many others. I have been a member for many years and really love V3-V4 and poser stuff, the platinum club stuff has decreased dramatically and not releasing props like they used to do.And I'm not a DS person. This is so sad, cause I enjoy this store. Good luck!

    I think if you will stick with us over the next couple of months, you will be very pleasantly surprised with the direction we are going with Genesis. I can't give any details, but you Poser users will be in heaven. Stay tuned to the DAZ 3D Channel.

    What about DS3A users? Will it include a relief for US? (Please answer this . . . or give a page number, because I'm not able to read 10 pages at this time. Thanks. :) )

    It might be worthwhile for you to give Daz 4.5 Pro a go, seems as though it's still free. I seriously doubt they would release any updates for out dated software. I was in your shoes not to long ago... And I was very much amazed with DS 4.5. There are MANY improvements! And genesis has totally became my most cherished figure! :)

    Ditto'ng give Daz 4.5 Pro a go -- I was unimpressed with early 4.0's stability and resource management even while enjoying Genesis and the new interface, but Daz 4.5 Pro has been fast and stable for me, and there's a gui fix to turn the big bright color-coded controls small and dark again (I don't use it, so I can never remember what it's called). And I'm loving the new .duf file format -- I can finally take projects to Mom's with me! And back home again, still reading everything fine! (That having been said I use CreateSynchronicity60 to synchronize content between the computers via a portable hard drive {which still worked horribly before duf}. And I keep my old content and newer MetaData'd content in separate runtimes.)

  • Cyn ArtCyn Art Posts: 0
    edited September 2012

    Spyro said:

    It might be worthwhile for you to give Daz 4.5 Pro a go, seems as though it's still free. I seriously doubt they would release any updates for out dated software. I was in your shoes not to long ago... And I was very much amazed with DS 4.5. There are MANY improvements! And genesis has totally became my most cherished figure! :)

    That would be nice, but my machine won't handle it. Now . . . if they want to buy me a new machine to use that new software - I'd love that! ;-P :lol:



    What are you expecting realistically? What "relief" do you seek? While I understand the poser community's position. There are people using new version of poser who would like to try the new genesis figure. Daz isn't about to support genesis in their old software.

    What "relief" do you seek? While I understand the poser community's position. There are people using new version of poser who would like to try the new genesis figure.

    ??? Really? Why would my position be any different than the Poser community's position if I'm unable to use Genesis and would like to?


    "Daz isn't about to support genesis in their old software."

    Then we obviously made a big mistake by supporting DAZ instead of Smith Micro. LoL :lol:


    But seriously, I'm simply hoping that they've come up with a plug-in or free-standing diddie solution. It may be that Smith Micro has done this and not DAZ. But if DAZ has done it, I would think it might be similarly possible in DS3A since both programs often can use the same content. I was expecting DS4A to be fixing some of the problems in my DS3A . . . not to chew it up and spit it out dead! :bug: :lol:

    Some of us paid good money for what we have and if I have to buy a new machine to continue using DS because DAZ has chosen the fifth generation to go in another direction, then I have no choice and my bus stops here, so to speak. :-S That's not attitude, just a fact. The solution I need is not a free software that I can't run, but one for the program that I bought from them. If I would have known it would have such a short shelf life, you can bet your sweet bippie we'd have gone with Poser instead. :shut: :doh!:

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  • ssgbryanssgbryan Posts: 699
    edited December 1969

    Mattymanx said:

    I have to personally disagree. Yes, they are looking for nwe customers, that is true for every company but for the excisting customers and their content, DAZ never whould have made the autofit feature if they wanted everyone to put away their previous content for previous generations. As for purchasing, we all should be good stewards of our money. At the same time though, if you see value in something, you will be willing to invest in it. I still buy A3 clothes cause I still use her and still see potential for the figure. Gen4, I never really accepted until I started seeing much more potential in M4 over M3. The only acception before that was whether or not I felt something could be fit to A3. Still speaking from a personal view point, I see much greater potential still in Genesis over the previous generations and feel it is what the Gen4 should have been. And because I see Genesis that way, I am willing to invest in content for Genesis that I see use for.

    Genesis came out with no content to speak of - From the release of DS4 to the start of March Madness, DAZ released 300 items - that is everything, including bundles - other sites had nothing. Without Autofit, DS4 users would be doing NGIATWAS (Naked Genesis In A Temple With A Sword) renders until March Madess.

    Added value is the issue. As a OSX user, I am reluctant to invest in software from DAZ - I have been burned on every piece of software that I have bought from DAZ (Cararra 6, Hexagon 2, and Bryce). I gave DAZ the benefit of the doubt for the first 5 years. No more.

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 3,637
    edited December 1969

    Honestly now, this argument is ridiculous. EG If I want to play the latest games with dx11 features I sure as hell know that my old GFX card won't handle it. So I buy a new one. I don't complain to the games company telling them to cut down on the graphics advancements just because my poor pc/mac cannot handle it. Daz has made huge improvements in its software and new technology sometimes require you to upgrade your old rig. Yours must be really old if 4.5 cannot run on it. People want the latest features and improvements but expect them to work on 5/6 year old machines? Get with the times. Why should a company hold back advances just because a few have users have outdated machines? 3D requires resources. Jeez a quad core with 6gb ram is dirt cheap.I have that as my secondary machine and 4.5 runs perfectly fine. I just do not understand this logic at all.

  • Kendall SearsKendall Sears Posts: 1,885
    edited December 1969

    Zev0 said:
    Honestly now, this argument is ridiculous. EG If I want to play the latest games with dx11 features I sure as hell know that my old GFX card won't handle it. So I buy a new one. I don't complain to the games company telling them to cut down on the graphics advancements just because my poor pc/mac cannot handle it. Daz has made huge improvements in its software and new technology sometimes require you to upgrade your old rig. Yours must be really old if 4.5 cannot run on it. People want the latest features and improvements but expect them to work on 5/6 year old machines? Get with the times. Why should a company hold back advances just because a few have users have outdated machines? 3D requires resources. Jeez a quad core with 6gb ram is dirt cheap.I have that as my secondary machine and 4.5 runs perfectly fine. I just do not understand this logic at all.

    Not to mention that DAZ stuck with an old OLD OLD OLD version of OpenGL. I wish they'd used at least OpenGL3 so that the modern hardware could really make it fly!

    Besides that, if there is any "Poser Compatibility" for Genesis it's going to be for Poser 9/PP2012 not before. So older software still won't be supported.

    Kendall

  • tsaristtsarist Posts: 946
    edited December 1969

    Zev0 said:
    Honestly now, this argument is ridiculous. EG If I want to play the latest games with dx11 features I sure as hell know that my old GFX card won't handle it. So I buy a new one. I don't complain to the games company telling them to cut down on the graphics advancements just because my poor pc/mac cannot handle it. Daz has made huge improvements in its software and new technology sometimes require you to upgrade your old rig. Yours must be really old if 4.5 cannot run on it. People want the latest features and improvements but expect them to work on 5/6 year old machines? Get with the times. Why should a company hold back advances just because a few have users have outdated machines? 3D requires resources. Jeez a quad core with 6gb ram is dirt cheap.I have that as my secondary machine and 4.5 runs perfectly fine. I just do not understand this logic at all.


    Not everyone has money to upgrade.
    If you do, that's beautiful.
    If not, don't begrudge those who can't.


    I never ceased to be amazed at the question "why don't you just upgrade?" posed at people.
    If they could upgrade, do you think anyone would just sit there with an old machine?
    If I could afford to upgrade, I would do so every year.
    Get the top of the line machine each time.

  • MattymanxMattymanx Posts: 3,479
    edited December 1969

    ssgbryan said:
    Genesis came out with no content to speak of - From the release of DS4 to the start of March Madness, DAZ released 300 items - that is everything, including bundles - other sites had nothing. Without Autofit, DS4 users would be doing NGIATWAS (Naked Genesis In A Temple With A Sword) renders until March Madess.

    Added value is the issue. As a OSX user, I am reluctant to invest in software from DAZ - I have been burned on every piece of software that I have bought from DAZ (Cararra 6, Hexagon 2, and Bryce). I gave DAZ the benefit of the doubt for the first 5 years. No more.


    You are right there as I remember that as well. Unlike previous figure launches, Genesis was introduced with no addons. It would have been nice to have had it held back until they had at least V5 ready to go so they could have built imidiate interest in it by the promis of the next gen right on its heels. But what is done is done. Forogot to mention last time too that I did not take to Genesis right away either. i just happened to see potentional in it a lot sooner then I did with Gen4. I should also mention that V5 is the first of the Victorias that I have liked (not that I have used her yet in renders)

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 3,637
    edited September 2012

    tsarist said:
    Zev0 said:
    Honestly now, this argument is ridiculous. EG If I want to play the latest games with dx11 features I sure as hell know that my old GFX card won't handle it. So I buy a new one. I don't complain to the games company telling them to cut down on the graphics advancements just because my poor pc/mac cannot handle it. Daz has made huge improvements in its software and new technology sometimes require you to upgrade your old rig. Yours must be really old if 4.5 cannot run on it. People want the latest features and improvements but expect them to work on 5/6 year old machines? Get with the times. Why should a company hold back advances just because a few have users have outdated machines? 3D requires resources. Jeez a quad core with 6gb ram is dirt cheap.I have that as my secondary machine and 4.5 runs perfectly fine. I just do not understand this logic at all.


    Not everyone has money to upgrade.
    If you do, that's beautiful.
    If not, don't begrudge those who can't.


    I never ceased to be amazed at the question "why don't you just upgrade?" posed at people.
    If they could upgrade, do you think anyone would just sit there with an old machine?
    If I could afford to upgrade, I would do so every year.
    Get the top of the line machine each time.

    Agreed, but then those with old machines should stop bad mouthing the software. I have read on numerous threads on different sites where users say "Daz4.5 is crap, it does not work on my machine - it crashes all the time - The older version was better" It gets tiresome..

    Also its like you're wanting to own a supercar with a v12 engine but you cannot afford to pay for petrol. I'm not going to call the car crap or complain to the manufacturer or demand they put a smaller motor in. I'd also love to render long animations, but I know that will take forever. Half the time my rig cannot handle it. So I don't complain, I accept it.

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  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 1,201
    edited September 2012

    Without Autofit, DS4 users would be doing NGIATWAS (Naked Genesis In A Temple With A Sword) renders until March Madess.


    Or they could do like I've been doing, keep using the Gen 4 figures. Victoria 4, Michael 4, the Kids 4, and even third party figures like those by Nursoda or 3D Universe work just fine in Studio 4.5. DAZ isn't forcing anyone to use Genesis, and just because they're shifting towards making more clothing for Genesis doesn't mean that Poser users (or any other user) can't find environments, vehicles, creatures, and many other useful items here.

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  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 3,637
    edited September 2012

    Who knows, maybe in the near future there will be a Genesis to Gen4 clothing converter. Just reverse the autofit process or release one for Gen4 figures Choose V4, select Genesis clothing and choose Genesis in the drop down menu. That would be cool.

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  • ssgbryanssgbryan Posts: 699
    edited December 1969

    Zev0 said:
    Who knows, maybe in the near future there will be a Genesis to Gen4 clothing converter. Just reverse the autofit process or release one for Gen4 figures Choose V4, select Genesis clothing and choose Genesis in the drop down menu. That would be cool.

    You can do that now.

    Wardrobe Wizard has a genesis plug-in. If I see enough new, original genesis clothing, I'll spring for it.

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 3,637
    edited September 2012

    edited...I will try this out...Never thought of that really. However that requires users to have poser as well.

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  • FauvistFauvist Posts: 405
    edited December 1969

    What has dismayed me the most about the whole Daz Studio 4 and Genesis era is the REness of it all. Re, as in rebuy, relearn, reinstall, refit.

    Instead of becoming more fun, it has become more demanding, and more confusing.

    I already have the generation 3 and 4 figures, but now I'm suppose to rebuy them for Genesis.

    I already had a ton of body morphs.

    I have a lot of clothing for these figures that I really love, and now I have to try to refit them for Genesis.

    I have character skin textures that I'm attached to, and now I have to somehow replace or refit them for Genesis.

    It took me a long time to learn to be good using Poser, but now I'm suppose to just dump it and use DAZ Studio 4.

    I invested a lot of time and money and creative effort on the preGenesis figures.

    Other than the improved bending capabilities of Genesis, I really can't say that any of the characters or clothes or skin textures that have been newly created for Genesis are any better than what was being sold for the generation 4 figures.

    I've tried and tried to get enthusiastic about the new products, but my experience with Genesis and Studio 4 has been one of frustration.

    My visits to the DAZ website have become few and far between. I hardly visit or participate in the DAZ forums any more. The amount of money I spend here has dropped about 80-90%.

    It's sad. I miss the way DAZ used to be.

  • ssgbryanssgbryan Posts: 699
    edited December 1969

    Zev0 said:
    edited...I will try this out...Never thought of that really. However that requires users to have poser as well.

    Phil sells a stand-alone version over at his website:

    www.philc.net


    I have it constantly running in the background generating .DAT files for clothing.

  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 3,294
    edited December 1969

    Cyn Art said:

    ??? Really? Why would my position be any different than the Poser community's position if I'm unable to use Genesis and would like to?

    But seriously, I'm simply hoping that they've come up with a plug-in or free-standing diddie solution.

    then I have no choice and my bus stops here, so to speak. :-S That's not attitude, just a fact.

    yes your stance is different from a poser user because as I said NEW POSER VERSIONS, not old ones.

    Regarding a plug-in I think you are missing the point, DS4 was build around genesis, DS3 wasn't. Ds3 intrinsically can't handle the new model without being re-written substantially.

    If your bus stops here, that's good and all I'm just saying be realistic about it.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 16,069
    edited December 1969

    tsarist said:
    Zev0 said:
    Honestly now, this argument is ridiculous. EG If I want to play the latest games with dx11 features I sure as hell know that my old GFX card won't handle it. So I buy a new one. I don't complain to the games company telling them to cut down on the graphics advancements just because my poor pc/mac cannot handle it. Daz has made huge improvements in its software and new technology sometimes require you to upgrade your old rig. Yours must be really old if 4.5 cannot run on it. People want the latest features and improvements but expect them to work on 5/6 year old machines? Get with the times. Why should a company hold back advances just because a few have users have outdated machines? 3D requires resources. Jeez a quad core with 6gb ram is dirt cheap.I have that as my secondary machine and 4.5 runs perfectly fine. I just do not understand this logic at all.


    Not everyone has money to upgrade.
    If you do, that's beautiful.
    If not, don't begrudge those who can't.


    I never ceased to be amazed at the question "why don't you just upgrade?" posed at people.
    If they could upgrade, do you think anyone would just sit there with an old machine?
    If I could afford to upgrade, I would do so every year.
    Get the top of the line machine each time.


    ...thank you.

  • Mr LeongMr Leong Posts: 302
    edited September 2012

    Fauvist said:
    What has dismayed me the most about the whole Daz Studio 4 and Genesis era is the REness of it all. Re, as in rebuy, relearn, reinstall, refit.

    Instead of becoming more fun, it has become more demanding, and more confusing.

    I already have the generation 3 and 4 figures, but now I'm suppose to rebuy them for Genesis.

    I already had a ton of body morphs.

    I have a lot of clothing for these figures that I really love, and now I have to try to refit them for Genesis.

    I have character skin textures that I'm attached to, and now I have to somehow replace or refit them for Genesis.

    It took me a long time to learn to be good using Poser, but now I'm suppose to just dump it and use DAZ Studio 4.

    I invested a lot of time and money and creative effort on the preGenesis figures.

    Other than the improved bending capabilities of Genesis, I really can't say that any of the characters or clothes or skin textures that have been newly created for Genesis are any better than what was being sold for the generation 4 figures.



    Why must it be an "either - or" situation? Whatever gave you the idea that you're suppose to dump Poser? Daz does not require anyone to give up using Poser before they're allowed to use DS4.

    You can still continue using all the figures, clothing, textures, and morphs in Poser just like you always have. And if you like something made for Genesis, you can download DS4 for FREE. What's wrong with using both Poser and Daz Studio? Use Poser for all your pre-Genesis content, and use DS4 for your Genesis content.

    I know people who use Photoshop to do postwork after using Poser. There's nothing wrong with using multiple software. Get the best of both worlds.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 16,069
    edited December 1969

    ...I don't really care if Genesis doesn't work in my S3A or Poser Pro2010. I have a hefty investment in in Gen4, Aiko3, and several of the "original" toon characters to keep me busy for some time.

    There are excellent third party joint fixes that help make Gen4 bend better (partial to Beautiful Bends as it works on all the V4 unimesh characters, including my beloved Steph4).

    Then there are plugins I use regularly, some of which appear that they will not be updated because of "other priorities". At least in S3A they all still work for me.

    While the Figure and Shader Mixers may have been busts, Morph Follower works nicely (especially for fitting V4 clothing to Steph4).

    XD4 works fine as well (and actually handles footwear and long skirts pretty well).

    With properly organised custom built runtimes don't need no CMS or "Smart Content" to find what I want to use.

    Marvelous Designer and Poser Pro2010 let me define my own cloth dynamics.

    Poser Pro2010 lets me batch my render processes for running in background saving precious memory (and is "gentler" to my old system).

    Then there's Bryce, which while slow to render, I have always enjoyed working with as it is surprisingly stable (and the 3.1 -> Bryce bridge still works).


    ...however, one thing I am "concerned" about, is Daz's move to the .duf format and what this means for the future of content. Not just characters, hair, or clothing but props and scene sets as well as it apparently is "exclusive" to Studio4.5 (and eventually later versions).

    ...sounds to me that if one doesn't "upgrade", it will be the "end of the road" content-wise.

    ...oh well, these days some artists still chose to use pencils, pens/ink or brushes/paints. Guess I'll have to make due.

  • JasmineSkunkJasmineSkunk Posts: 846
    edited December 1969

    ...just been reading everything here...

    Believe me, my heart goes out to those who can not afford to buy a new computer or new hardware to be compatible. I do understand... I "get it" more than some might think. I am not one of the "wealthy" members of this community. I have watched for many many years as people all around me have bought stuff I just could not afford to buy. Right now, there is a thread going asking people about the size of their order history. Some people with hundreds of pages and thousands of items!! ... I was actually too embarrassed to participate in that thread because my order history is only 35 pages long...lol... and many of those have been Daz Weekly Freebies!

    Even though it's disappointing that I can not afford to participate like I may want to, I still love that enough stuff is free or cheap enough that I can play along at all and I just do the best I can with what I can afford. Even the things I have "purchased" were mostly purchased with Daz vouchers that I had won in contests. I simply do not have a lot of money to be able to play along with everyone...

    ...but I never expected the company to slow down for me.

    I'm kinda glad they did not, actually. Even back then, I found that as everyone was going by in a flash of blinding light, dishing out top dollar for the new Gen 4 stuff I could not afford, I could grab the Gen 3 (especially Aiko 3) stuff from fast grab and get great deals! That stuff was way more economical than the new stuff and I really STILL love Aiko 3, even now... :) Anyway...

    I do have a point... promise.

    But first, I want to try to refresh the memories of some and remind them that Daz3D explained to everyone before Genesis and Daz Studio 4 even launched, that the new stuff could not be made to work in the old software... It's not that they just "did not" make it work in Daz Studio 3 or Poser, but that they could not make it work in the old software. Even *if* Genesis ever gets to work in Poser, it will probably only be possible in the newest version...

    I know it's disheartening when you can not afford an upgrade and can't keep up with the newest stuff... believe me, I've been there, and in many ways, I still am... but I have to admit I am really glad they made the choice they did. I bet it was a tough decision to make, actually... and I can't help but think what a brave and courageous company they are!

    Why am I glad when so many are hurt and upset and unable to participate?

    Because I can see the *potential* that is possible by choosing to go in this direction.

    Already, I have enjoyed the "morphablity" and flexibility that is only possible with Genesis, and I barely have a library started. Everything from gorilla-fish-frogs to baby-faerie-cats can wear the same clothing, textures and hair...

    ...and that's just cool.

    Right now, the best, fastest, coolest PRO version of Daz Studio is completely FREE, and I know that isn't much comfort to those who can't get into it now, but I can't help but hope that those who can't participate "right now" try to see the potential for the future and the future of this hobby. This WILL be the most economical way to build a library... it just will.

    I really do hope that Smith Micro and Daz3D can work out some way to get it into Poser for Poser users, but I don't expect it to ever become backwards compatible with older software, just because I can see that if it were possible it would have been implemented that way from the start... I don't think it helps to wish for the impossible... I'm not trying to dash hopes, I'm really not.... just trying to be reasonable...

    The truth is...even if you *can't* get into the new stuff right now, you wouldn't really wish that no one have access to it, do you? Can you really not see how it will be more economical as time goes on? As every piece of clothing, hair or character "shape" made is now made for EVERY character. It's brilliant, and it's a lot of fun. I, for one, am so glad they did it.

    Now... I know for those who can't participate for whatever reasons, it might sound like "bragging" when those who are having fun with the new stuff try to share... but I don't really think that is the case... and for the most part, I don't think anyone is happy that some have not been able to play along...

    There is still so much potential for Genesis... and I really look forward to where it might go. I know it's hard to move out of our comfort zone sometimes, and for some of the people here, it may not even be an issue they can do anything about right now, but I hope everyone will eventually be able to look to the future and see the potential that is here for everyone... even if only eventually.

    I hope that those who are still using stuff other than Genesis... will find some way to happily co-exist with those who can, and find some way to enjoy all the great stuff that is still here and still available for older generations of the software...

    ...and I hope that you all will find a way to participate in the near future, if that means Poser ends up working or you get new machines or whatever is needed... because I really miss all the fun we used to have here sharing our work together...with whatever tools we had... with love and respect for each other.

    Am I too optimistic to hope?

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 16,069
    edited September 2012

    ...I agree, weight mapping is just not possible in older versions of Studio or Poser. That is why I really don't care about Genesis anymore.

    When I installed 4.5Pro (32) to conduct some experiments, I didn't even bother to load the Genesis Essentials package that came with it. My main purpose was primarily to see how the app handled older generation content and loading/rendering of scenes created in previous versions of Studio.

    ...I just would like to know that I could still come to the Daz store and find new content I can and want to use and that there is still a reason to remain a PC member. So far, the whole push towards Genesis has not been very encouraging.

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  • creativemodelsbecreativemodelsbe Posts: 0
    edited September 2012

    I hope the 5th studio pro is back $ version with pro features. (LOL)
    a free version for hobby users.
    till complaining by users stops.

    LOL,

    why would people move backwards?
    if the new stuff is so cool?

    Post edited by creativemodelsbe on
  • JasmineSkunkJasmineSkunk Posts: 846
    edited December 1969

    KK...

    first...

    **A BIG HUG**

    ...now...

    ..with love...

    The "new" content is "new".

    And it always will be.

    There are a few (rumors) that some vendors are still creating for Gen 4... but the truth is, many have said that people have stopped buying it. I have heard straight from the fingertips of more than one vendor that even when versions were offered to both kinds of customers, the Poser version just did not sell... so can you really expect vendors to create for a customer base that has stopped purchasing? No one could afford to do that. If you have products that sell and products that don't sell, you are going to have to shape your future developments towards your *actual* customers....know what I mean?

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 3,637
    edited September 2012

    There is still so much potential for Genesis... and I really look forward to where it might go. I know it's hard to move out of our comfort zone sometimes, and for some of the people here, it may not even be an issue they can do anything about right now, but I hope everyone will eventually be able to look to the future and see the potential that is here for everyone... even if only eventually.

    Well put. Comfort zones are hard to break, and many will fight to defend it. But once you step out, you realize its not so bad. I was a Poser user for almost 6 years. But I was so curious to see what Genesis had to offer. I am so glad I did. With Daz4, workflows are so much quicker, easier and more flexable. The structure is so more user friendly, No jumping through hoops to get a simple result. I was even able to make content for it, something that was a real pain on the older figures. Sometimes I cringe when I read on other sites how people struggle with basic functions to get something done and all the effort involved.

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  • DAZ_ann0314DAZ_ann0314 Posts: 1,544
    edited December 1969

    On the general topic of new Gen 4 Items (specifically clothing which is what most people seem to be wanting over characters) there is this very cool outfit that just released today: http://www.daz3d.com/shop/new-releases/edens-flame and her whole store is on sale and I know she supports Gen 4 still to this day.

    Both of us are Poser users so we both make extra sure everything we make works in Poser or neither of us could/would use the stuff :) Anyway since I know in this discussion a lack of items for Gen 4 was brought up, I thought I'd point out there is a store sale and new items made with lots of love and care for Gen 4 :)

    HUGS :)

  • Cyn ArtCyn Art Posts: 0
    edited September 2012

    "I said NEW POSER VERSIONS, not old ones.

    Regarding a plug-in I think you are missing the point, DS4 was build around genesis, DS3 wasn't. Ds3 intrinsically can't handle the new model without being re-written substantially."

    Now, if I've never used Poser, how am I supposed to know the difference between new and old versions? lol And if I've never used DS4 (and know nothing about it), how am I supposed to know about re-writing anything? :long: Without knowing a thing of either of the programs or Genesis, asking if the new Poser solution will also possibly be applicable to DS3A or if there is intended on being a solution for it in the works, that's simply hopeful thinking. For all I know there's a lighter stand-alone where the Genesis model can be loaded, adjusted and then saved out as a .cr2 or .obj. (Remember, I know nothing about anything, so how would I even know if that's possible or not?) Asking isn't supposed to hurt. But if there is a solution for Poser, then, yes, I'd have liked to have gone with Poser over DS3A and still feel it's a little ironic. Now, if there were a complete fix of DS3A for me, not having anything to do with DS4 or Genesis, I'd still be pretty happy, because I love my Gen4 figures.

    "If your bus stops here, that's good and all I'm just saying be realistic about it."

    The only way I could be unrealistic about it would be if I was told nothing's possible and I'd still be expecting something to be done anyway. So I'm missing what this is supposed to imply. :-/ Now, if I'm being accused of being ignorant about the whole thing, I'll have to agree, or else I wouldn't be asking about it and knowing nothing.

    Also, I sure hope this "badmouthing" thing of the new software isn't directed at me. I have NEVER badmouthed Genesis or DS4. I've not used either, so how would I know anything about them to even give an opinion anyway. I've already bought one Gen item because I liked it so much and have gotten all the Gen freebies in anticipation for "some day". I wouldn't say that's "badmouthing" so I'm taking this as a general remark not having anything to do with me.

    & Re: the upgrade analogy . . . of course I know things on occasion go obsolete and are not backward compatible. That doesn't mean I'm not disappointed when they do.

    :P ::whew:: I'm done.

    Truthfully, I'm worn out on this already. I don't think I even care if there's an answer anymore at this point. LoL :lol:
    I've got way too much stuff. I can wait a couple of years for Genesis.

    ~ Laterz.

    If I've confused anything, expect it. I do that a lot. Plus I have a horrendous headache. :P

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  • T JaimanT Jaiman Posts: 540
    edited September 2012

    First: *SYMPATHIES*.

    My old computer runs DS|4, but it's not going to manage much serious work. And my upgrade hopes look pretty disappointing, right now.

    I'm ignorant of programming as well, but, yeah, a DS3 plugin seems implausible, to me. And DS3 probably wouldn't run for you, with it.


    You were asking a reasonable question. Things get misinterpreted sometimes. There's still been some harshness, here and there. And not long ago there were waves of horse pucky to debunk, that stuff is still fresh in folk's minds. Of course it might still be going full-blast, in other forums...

    Cyn Art said:

    Also, I sure hope this "badmouthing" thing of the new software isn't directed at me. I have NEVER badmouthed Genesis or DS4. I've not used either, so how would I know anything about them to even give an opinion anyway. I've already bought one Gen item because I liked it so much and have gotten all the Gen freebies in anticipation for "some day". I wouldn't say that's "badmouthing" so I'm taking this as a general remark not having anything to do with me.


    Nah, he wasn't pointing fingers. I've seen examples of what he meant.

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  • Paradigm67Paradigm67 Posts: 973
    edited December 1969

    Mr Leong said:

    Why must it be an "either - or" situation? Whatever gave you the idea that you're suppose to dump Poser? Daz does not require anyone to give up using Poser before they're allowed to use DS4.

    This, exactly. I own Poser 2012, but mainly use DS4.5 now. Am I upset about that? Maybe a little, but DS has a free version, so... no skin off my back. I use Poser content in DS all the time. You don't need to RE anything. Keep using your v4 and m3 or whatever you want, and get new things for Genesis as you like.

    I think it's more along the lines of "I have all of this stuff I bought previously that I want to use on the shiny new figure, but don't want to have to pay to have someone do the work of transferring it over." The older stuff is still there, you haven't lost anything.

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