Project EYEris - New DAZ Studio Shader and Preset Package *OUT NOW* [Commercial]

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• DimensionTheory Posts: 434

  March 2013 edited December 1969

  Here are some more renders of included presets

  

  

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• DimensionTheory Posts: 434

  March 2013 edited December 1969

  And some artistic renders :)

  

  

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• Totte Posts: 13,495

  March 2013 edited December 1969

  Looking super!
• SickleYield Posts: 7,629

  March 2013 edited December 1969

  This looks really great!

  
  I'm especially interested in its functionality with existing eye textures. I have a big collection of eyes on the V4M4 UVs, including a lot of fantasy and beast eyes that I really like. Are the shaders set up so that they can be applied over these?
• DimensionTheory Posts: 434

  March 2013 edited March 2013

  Thank you!

  Yes, the shader can be applied over the eye presets you have like you mentioned. At it's core there are two versions of the shader... A "Base" version that loads up blank white like in the documentation, and an "Injection" version that only modifies the shader to add special effects (in my injection promo all I did was apply this to V5, M5, S5 and H5). This is along with presets using my included textures.

  Something I should note is that the injection presets can't reach the same level of fine tuning as the included textured presets. The textures I've made have been calibrated to work together with the shader, when trying to make something that works with EVERYONE'S textures I had to be a bit more universal with settings. So the full presets will look better in general for the most part.

  I'm going to modify the first post to add my "What's Included" list now.

  Post edited by DimensionTheory on March 2013
• SickleYield Posts: 7,629

  March 2013 edited December 1969

  DimensionTheory said:

  Thank you!

  Yes, the shader can be applied over the eye presets you have like you mentioned. At it's core there are two versions of the shader... A "Base" version that loads up blank white like in the documentation, and an "Injection" version that only modifies the shader to add special effects (in my injection promo all I did was apply this to V5, M5, S5 and H5). This is along with presets using my included textures.

  Something I should note is that the injection presets can't reach the same level of fine tuning as the included textured presets. The textures I've made have been calibrated to work together with the shader, when trying to make something that works with EVERYONE'S textures I had to be a bit more universal with settings. So the full presets will look better in general for the most part.

  I'm going to modify the first post to add my "What's Included" list now.

  That being the case, you might consider an add-on with more beast/alien/fantasy eyes - the violet irises are nice but the lack of a "vampire crimson," "lion yellow" and "wolf white" feels significant.

  
  I'm still buying it the second it's out, because it's gorgeous. I'm just saying, I'd buy the heck out of an optimized genre-friendly add-on, because I'm not going to use the "bionic" looks much. I'll bet this is true of others as well, and that your sf fans may well overlap with the fantasy fans and buy it, too.
• agent unawares Posts: 3,513

  March 2013 edited December 1969

  ...okay just give me what you have now, looks good. Nothing to see here folks, move along.

  Is the displacement detail slider to blend between two displacement maps? If so, that's just excellent [and you (and every other shader creator {including DAZ}) should, just saying, add the ability to do this with diffuse maps]. ;)
• DimensionTheory Posts: 434

  March 2013 edited March 2013

  SickleYield said:

  That being the case, you might consider an add-on with more beast/alien/fantasy eyes - the violet irises are nice but the lack of a "vampire crimson," "lion yellow" and "wolf white" feels significant.

  
  I'm still buying it the second it's out, because it's gorgeous. I'm just saying, I'd buy the heck out of an optimized genre-friendly add-on, because I'm not going to use the "bionic" looks much. I'll bet this is true of others as well, and that your sf fans may well overlap with the fantasy fans and buy it, too.

  Thank you! An add-on would not be difficult though I hadn't thought too much about it, mainly because I was unsure what the demand would be. Also it's not really that the textures for existing eyes don't work well with the shader, it's that they don't work well with the idea of injecting. It's an issue I ran into with Interjection as well, I can't make the preset load other peoples' textures while keeping it universal. The shader documentation PDF had good information on how textures are used though though, which you can translate to other textures and get past the restrictions injecting has.

  Is the displacement detail slider to blend between two displacement maps? If so, that's just excellent [and you (and every other shader creator {including DAZ}) should, just saying, add the ability to do this with diffuse maps]. ;)

  Kind of, it's more like adding one displacement to the other rather than blending. It doesn't take away from the first displacement when adding the second, so essentially you're displacing your displacements when you use it :)

  Post edited by DimensionTheory on March 2013
• SickleYield Posts: 7,629

  March 2013 edited December 1969

  The demand for products that make existing content better with a minimum of clicks is effectively infinite, I think. :-)
• jakiblue Posts: 7,281

  March 2013 edited December 1969

  WHOA.

  These look brilliant!

  Funny, a couple of us were just discussing DS eyes over at facebook, and then this turns up! LOL.

  I'm with sickleyield too - i would absolutely plunk down my cash (when I have it) for add on's for sci fi eyes and fantasy type eyes. But this is going to be a MUST HAVE.
• agent unawares Posts: 3,513

  March 2013 edited December 1969

  DimensionTheory said:

  Kind of, it's more like adding one displacement to the other rather than blending. It doesn't take away from the first displacement when adding the second, so essentially you're displacing your displacements when you use it :)

  
  Ah, I see. So you can get effects like you would using displacement maps for larger details and a bump map for minor surface deviations, only full displacement. That's equally intriguing. I have to admit I love the bump-displacement switch as well, although it would be nice to have the option of a separate unaffected bump map with its own strength settings.

  At the very least, give each map its own strength and min/max settings. The way it looks like it's behaving now, bump/displacement maps set up for different programs may not play nicely with each other, because DS default has mid grey as the 'zero' color, and Poser uses black.
• DimensionTheory Posts: 434

  March 2013 edited March 2013

  Agent_Unawares said:

  At the very least, give each map its own strength and min/max settings. The way it looks like it's behaving now, bump/displacement maps set up for different programs may not play nicely with each other, because DS default has mid grey as the 'zero' color, and Poser uses black.

  This shader will treat displacement and bump from other programs the same as the default shader. Hi-detail (bump) and Lo-Detail (displace) have their own strength values, which will pull from the original preset. Min-Max can still be changed to accomdate Poser's handling of black for null, only difference is that bump and displacement Min-Max are now the same values.

  Post edited by DimensionTheory on March 2013
• agent unawares Posts: 3,513

  March 2013 edited December 1969

  DimensionTheory said:

  Agent_Unawares said:

  At the very least, give each map its own strength and min/max settings. The way it looks like it's behaving now, bump/displacement maps set up for different programs may not play nicely with each other, because DS default has mid grey as the 'zero' color, and Poser uses black.

  This shader will treat displacement and bump from other programs the same as the default shader. Hi-detail (bump) and Lo-Detail (displace) have their own strength values, which will pull from the original preset. Min-Max can still be changed to accomdate Poser's handling of black for null, only difference is that bump and displacement Min-Max are now the same values.
  That last part's the problem. What if someone wants to use a vein displacement that starts from black, and a small details displacement that starts from mid grey? It'll either swell the eyeball like crazy or shrink it down, absent a lot of fiddling which could be done away with by giving a separate min/max for each. :)

  If it's still treating the hi-detail map as a bump, this will be slightly less of an issue, but there may still be quite noticeable problems and again, tons of fiddling. I nearly always need to adjust the min/max on bump and displacement and they're very rarely [never that I can recall] the same.
• SickleYield Posts: 7,629

  March 2013 edited December 1969

  Agent_Unawares said:

  DimensionTheory said:

  Agent_Unawares said:

  At the very least, give each map its own strength and min/max settings. The way it looks like it's behaving now, bump/displacement maps set up for different programs may not play nicely with each other, because DS default has mid grey as the 'zero' color, and Poser uses black.

  This shader will treat displacement and bump from other programs the same as the default shader. Hi-detail (bump) and Lo-Detail (displace) have their own strength values, which will pull from the original preset. Min-Max can still be changed to accomdate Poser's handling of black for null, only difference is that bump and displacement Min-Max are now the same values.

  
  That last part's the problem. What if someone wants to use a vein displacement that starts from black, and a small details displacement that starts from mid grey? It'll either swell the eyeball like crazy or shrink it down, absent a lot of fiddling which could be done away with by giving a separate min/max for each. :)

  If it's still treating the hi-detail map as a bump, this will be slightly less of an issue, but there may still be quite noticeable problems and again, tons of fiddling. I nearly always need to adjust the min/max on bump and displacement and they're very rarely [never that I can recall] the same.

  Are you doing that many eyeball extreme closeups normally?
• agent unawares Posts: 3,513

  March 2013 edited December 1969

  SickleYield said:

  Agent_Unawares said:

  DimensionTheory said:

  Agent_Unawares said:

  At the very least, give each map its own strength and min/max settings. The way it looks like it's behaving now, bump/displacement maps set up for different programs may not play nicely with each other, because DS default has mid grey as the 'zero' color, and Poser uses black.

  This shader will treat displacement and bump from other programs the same as the default shader. Hi-detail (bump) and Lo-Detail (displace) have their own strength values, which will pull from the original preset. Min-Max can still be changed to accomdate Poser's handling of black for null, only difference is that bump and displacement Min-Max are now the same values.

  
  That last part's the problem. What if someone wants to use a vein displacement that starts from black, and a small details displacement that starts from mid grey? It'll either swell the eyeball like crazy or shrink it down, absent a lot of fiddling which could be done away with by giving a separate min/max for each. :)

  If it's still treating the hi-detail map as a bump, this will be slightly less of an issue, but there may still be quite noticeable problems and again, tons of fiddling. I nearly always need to adjust the min/max on bump and displacement and they're very rarely [never that I can recall] the same.

  Are you doing that many eyeball extreme closeups normally?
  A: Enough.

  B: This is a shader I would NOT only be using on eyeballs. :lol:
• Machieltje Posts: 0

  March 2013 edited December 1969

  I wants it naow!

  
  Funny thing I have been working for days on eyes and while I've made some headway this looks like it'll do all of what I've been trying to do and more.

  So when will it be done? Tomorrow? Please?!?

  
  (Impatient? Me? Now where ever did you get that idea?)
• DimensionTheory Posts: 434

  March 2013 edited March 2013

  Agent_Unawares said:

  That last part's the problem. What if someone wants to use a vein displacement that starts from black, and a small details displacement that starts from mid grey? It'll either swell the eyeball like crazy or shrink it down, absent a lot of fiddling which could be done away with by giving a separate min/max for each. :)

  If it's still treating the hi-detail map as a bump, this will be slightly less of an issue, but there may still be quite noticeable problems and again, tons of fiddling. I nearly always need to adjust the min/max on bump and displacement and they're very rarely [never that I can recall] the same.

  Well I did my best. I'm not really sure how far out of my way I should go to make sure files created for Poser work with a product made for DAZ Studio, and as far as I know Poser is the only program to ever use black as base. I've not personally run into any displacement or bump maps made that way in a long time, any that are can be leveled quickly (set black level to 50% gray and you're done).

  So when will it be done? Tomorrow? Please?!?

  It's already done ;)

  Post edited by DimensionTheory on March 2013
• Wirenut Posts: 30

  March 2013 edited December 1969

  Oh! Shiny!
  I wants it now!
• agent unawares Posts: 3,513

  March 2013 edited March 2013

  DimensionTheory said:

  Well I did my best.
  Your best with limited information, perhaps...

  DimensionTheory said:

  It's already done ;)
  ...and so you're tied in to the broken functionality. I sympathize with that, but don't try to justify the shader as somehow making more sense this way than it would if it were actually able to be used with all relevant textures [as a shader should].

  DimensionTheory said:

  I'm not really sure how far out of my way I should go to make sure files created for Poser work with a product made for DAZ Studio,

  
  Because you're advertising this as not just a standalone, but an addon to existing products, and because a tremendous number of textures use Poser-style bump mapping. Because this is something which could, and should, be universal. And because the change required would be relatively minor unless you threw away your shader code after compiling.

  and as far as I know Poser is the only program to ever use black as base. I've not personally run into any displacement or bump maps made that way in a long time,

  
  Every single one of the vein/brow displacement maps I can think of offhand uses black as the zero color. And they're the sort of thing which needs to be able to be mixed with bump maps from more than one character.

  any that are can be leveled quickly (set black level to 50% gray and you're done).
  In an external image editor. There should be no need for fiddling and duplicate files when "Min=0" could easily have been set from within the shader.

  Post edited by agent unawares on March 2013
• DimensionTheory Posts: 434

  March 2013 edited December 1969

  I'm very sorry you feel that way, you are more than welcome to use the default shader where mine falls short. For those who like what I've done and don't see issue with how I have things setup I hope this shader will be a fun tool to use in conjunction with others.
• SickleYield Posts: 7,629

  March 2013 edited March 2013

  Why should a product advertised as a DAZ shader set support Poser-style bump mapping? Yes, a tremendous number of textures use that black-as-zero system - because they were made for Poser. What are you buying in this store that uses that and says it's for DAZ Studio?

  
  If I buy a product that says it's for DAZ Studio, I want it optimized for DAZ Studio. To ask otherwise is nonsensical.

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• agent unawares Posts: 3,513

  March 2013 edited December 1969

  DimensionTheory said:

  I'm very sorry you feel that way, you are more than welcome to use the default shader where mine falls short. For those who like what I've done and don't see issue with how I have things setup I hope this shader will be a fun tool to use in conjunction with others.

  
  Unfortunately I'll have to. It's a shame because shaders and surfaces are the most exciting part of a 3D image to me, and those tonemapped reflections were something really unique, but if I'm going to wind up editing textures in order to use this, I'd rather incorporate that sort of look in postwork.

  Best of luck!
• agent unawares Posts: 3,513

  March 2013 edited March 2013

  SickleYield said:

  Why should a product advertised as a DAZ shader set support Poser-style bump mapping? Yes, a tremendous number of textures use that black-as-zero system - because they were made for Poser.
  Textures are generally made for surfaces, not specific programs, which is why 3D programs have settings for min/max to begin with, instead of a simple 'displacement amount.' Normally, different zero values don't cause any problems whatsoever. It's not a matter of "only for X program," it's a matter of "different textures are different."

  If I buy a product that says it's for DAZ Studio, I want it optimized for DAZ Studio. To ask otherwise is nonsensical.

  
  I'd appreciate it if you didn't imply I don't know what I'm talking about. That's nothing but a straw man argument. I'm not asking, and hadn't asked, for it to be optimized for another program. This isn't about not being able to read native Poser files, it's about being unable to efficiently utilize textures which work equally well in both programs.

  Vein maps in particular tend to start with black as the zero value because they'll never displace inwardly to begin with and they can utilize the full tonal range that way. And that's the last I'll say on this in this thread as the creator has already voiced an opinion, and thus it's a subject now mostly irrelevant to the product. If you care to discuss this in another part of the forum I'm all for it.

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• Slosh Posts: 2,391

  March 2013 edited December 1969

  Just been working on my own eye settings using Human Surface Shader. Decent results, but yours is fantastic. Will be buying immediately. I do wish the negativity would stop. This product will do what it does (and well, it seems), but should not be expected to be a be all/end all. No disrespect intended to anyone expressing their opinions, you are entitled. I haven't seen a cloth shader or metallics shader or any shader for that matter that works universally without some tweaking. If you have maps with black, maybe you can adjust the strength. Anyway, good job, DimensionTheory.
• DimensionTheory Posts: 434

  March 2013 edited December 1969

  Thank you, Slosh. You words are appreciated :)

  It should be advised at this point that no one has actually used the shader aside from myself and DAZ QA, so any thoughts on how my particular shader performs are not formed from hands on usage. I've not personally run into any issues with this, either by finding the end results displeasing or feeling the need to edit maps. If anyone would like to see some renders of my shader used on things other than eyes let me know, it's main purpose is eye surfaces and that's what it is designed for but I have had fun using it on other materials with cool results.
• SickleYield Posts: 7,629

  March 2013 edited December 1969

  How about on some G-rated tentacles or other creature surfaces?
• DimensionTheory Posts: 434

  March 2013 edited December 1969

  Don't know if I have any tentacles but I've got plenty of creatures!
• agent unawares Posts: 3,513

  March 2013 edited March 2013

  DimensionTheory said:

  any thoughts on how my particular shader performs are not formed from hands on usage.
  Correct. It's all been math and a general understanding of the subject thus far. I haven't touched the shader yet; if I came across as implying I had, I apologize.

  If anyone would like to see some renders of my shader used on things other than eyes let me know, it's main purpose is eye surfaces and that's what it is designed for but I have had fun using it on other materials with cool results.

  
  I'd love to see any other test renders you might have squirreled away. How about something along the lines of tiger eye? It seems like it could take advantage of the specular flare.

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• Zilvergrafix Posts: 1,385

  March 2013 edited December 1969

  I approve this product.
  simple like that
• DimensionTheory Posts: 434

  March 2013 edited March 2013

  Thank you, Zilver!

  Here are two renders for you all, the first one using my shader effects and the second one not. You can see the 8 additional highlights adding plenty of shimmer to the grass and spreading out over the creature skin, while the reflection curves are aiding in realistic shading on the mouth, teeth and eyes.

  Please note that the shader's main purpose is for eye surfaces and this is more or less a conceptual render out of intended usage range.

  

  

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