Apparently the DAZ Install Manager is about ready

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  • linvanchenelinvanchene Posts: 1,331
    edited February 2013

    I managed to download and install about 830+ products.
    I managed to recreate my former categories by using backups I made from .dsa and .dsx "User Product Data" files I exported from the "Product Library" Content DB Editor.

    I was very happy to see that very few installed products had issues:

    Edit / Update
    removed items that have been added since last time I checked.

    All tested with filter set do DS4.5

    Wrong Version in zip:

    http://www.daz3d.com/catgirl-genesis (Legacy .dsf version in .zip instead of Core .duf version)

    http://www.daz3d.com/worlds-of-fantasy-medieval-house (Poser version instead of DS version)


    Included metadata not working:

    Maybe caused because of relative file paths changed before zipping?

    http://www.daz3d.com/keira-for-stephanie-5 (Legacy .dsf Version)
    http://www.daz3d.com/diner-waitress-for-genesis-female (Legacy .dsf Version)

    http://www.daz3d.com/future-flight (Core .duf Version)
    http://www.daz3d.com/stalker-girl-guns-for-genesis (Core .duf Version)

    - - -

    Products not found in DIM:

    http://www.daz3d.com/carhop-for-genesis-female
    Curbside Cuties texture add on is available

    http://www.daz3d.com/dynamic-supersuit-set-3-the-mystics
    The other dynamic supersuit-sets 1,2,4 are available

    http://www.daz3d.com/gen-4-iconic-shapes-for-genesis
    G4 and F4 shapes missing
    A4 and H4 shapes available

    http://www.daz3d.com/knotty-tails-hair-for-genesis
    Colors for Knotty Tails Hair available


    http://www.daz3d.com/ultimate-dynamic-tee
    Everyday for Ultimate Dynamic Tee available

    http://www.daz3d.com/dark-warriors-for-gis
    GIS for Genesis is available

    http://www.daz3d.com/the-fabricator
    I noticed that all related products have been added.
    My personal guess is that it is held back in order to deceide if before converting it to .zip the naming Fabricator / The Fabricator in the content library and the metadata should be adjusted to match the related shader products.

    - - -

    Products not found in DIM and in DAZ store

    War Brotherhood for Genesis
    I found the installer 12121_WarBrotherhoodGenesis_1.2_dpc.exe on my system.
    I do not rember anymore if it was a limited time Bonus when purchasing War Dog for Genesis
    or if I got it because I also have the M4 version.

    - - -

    Anyway I post this here in case someone is checking.
    Things are being added and fixed very quickly at the moment.

    - - -

    I am very happy how the DIM helped me reinstall the whole runtime in only about three days working on it on and off.
    I was very worried that I would loose up to two weeks to get everything working again.

    Happy installing everyone! ;-)

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,146
    edited December 1969

    A4 and H4 Shapes I got but your right, there is no G4 & F4 Shapes for Genesis in the DIM downloads

  • Scott LivingstonScott Livingston Posts: 4,331
    edited December 1969

    After weighing the pros and cons, it seems like the clean install option is best for me. Off to start now...will report back to tell how it's going.

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 13,380
    edited December 1969

    I managed to download and install about 830+ products.
    I managed to recreate my former categories by using backups I made from .dsa and .dsx "User Product Data" files I exported from the "Product Library" Content DB Editor.

    I was very happy to see that very few installed products had issues:

    All tested with filter set do DS4.5

    Wrong Version in zip:

    http://www.daz3d.com/catgirl-genesis (Legacy .dsf version in .zip instead of Core .duf version)


    Included metadata not working:

    Maybe caused because of relative file paths changed before zipping?

    http://www.daz3d.com/keira-for-stephanie-5 (Legacy .dsf Version)
    http://www.daz3d.com/diner-waitress-for-genesis-female (Legacy .dsf Version)

    http://www.daz3d.com/future-flight (Core .duf Version)
    http://www.daz3d.com/stalker-girl-guns-for-genesis (Core .duf Version)

    - - -

    Products not found in DIM:

    http://www.daz3d.com/carhop-for-genesis-female
    Curbside Cuties texture add on is available

    http://www.daz3d.com/dynamic-supersuit-set-3-the-mystics
    The other dynamic supersuit-sets 1,2,4 are available

    http://www.daz3d.com/gen-4-iconic-shapes-for-genesis
    G4 and F4 shapes missing
    A4 and H4 shapes available

    http://www.daz3d.com/knotty-tails-hair-for-genesis
    Colors for Knotty Tails Hair available

    http://www.daz3d.com/the-firearm-pack
    M5 Firearms with Expressions and Poses available


    http://www.daz3d.com/ultimate-dynamic-tee
    Everyday for Ultimate Dynamic Tee available

    http://www.daz3d.com/dark-warriors-for-gis
    GIS for Genesis is available

    http://www.daz3d.com/the-fabricator
    I noticed that all related products have been added.
    My personal guess is that it is held back in order to deceide if before converting it to .zip the naming Fabricator / The Fabricator in the content library and the metadata should be adjusted to match the related shader products.

    http://www.daz3d.com/softbootzz

    - - -

    Products not found in DIM and in DAZ store

    War Brotherhood for Genesis
    I found the installer 12121_WarBrotherhoodGenesis_1.2_dpc.exe on my system.
    I do not rember anymore if it was a limited time Bonus when purchasing War Dog for Genesis
    or if I got it because I also have the M4 version.

    'Katumi Dress'
    'Katumi Dress Textures'
    Those just seem to have vanished. Product name Change?

    - - -

    Anyway I post this here in case someone is checking.
    Things are being added and fixed very quickly at the moment.

    - - -

    I am very happy how the DIM helped me reinstall the whole runtime in only about three days working on it on and off.
    I was very worried that I would loose up to two weeks to get everything working again.

    Happy installing everyone! ;-)

    If you are having issues with packs or things are missing file a bug report at https://bugs.daz3d.com

  • KharmaKharma Posts: 3,214
    edited December 1969

    About the different download files, I only use Daz Studio 4.5 , no Poser, under the download filters do I now only need to check Daz Studio 4.5, or do I have to also check off Studio 4 and Poser 9 and DSON Importer for Poser? Will I be missing support files?

    Sorry if this has already been answered and I just didn't see it in all these pages of questions and answers

  • StorypilotStorypilot Posts: 1,660
    edited December 1969

    Kharma said:
    About the different download files, I only use Daz Studio 4.5 , no Poser, under the download filters do I now only need to check Daz Studio 4.5, or do I have to also check off Studio 4 and Poser 9 and DSON Importer for Poser? Will I be missing support files?

    Sorry if this has already been answered and I just didn't see it in all these pages of questions and answers

    Yes, only check DS 4.5, and you'll be good :)

    You would only end up missing something if it's accidentally mistagged, and that would be a bug. I've seen them fix a couple of these already, and so it looks like this will not happen often once they get through making sure all the content available already is tagged properly.

  • KharmaKharma Posts: 3,214
    edited December 1969

    Thank you so much for replying Storypilot :) I also have another question or 2 ...I d/l just one file genesis essentials to see where it would download to as the default path, but my default path is set in DIM as

    C:\Users\Public\Documents\DAZ 3D\InstallManager\Downloads

    but in explorer if I follow the path throught the directories it goes

    C:\Users\Public\Public Documents\DAZ 3D\InstallManager\Downloads

    does the extra word Public make any difference or is that how it is supposed to be in Windows7


    and if I just check the DS 4.5 box it shows StudioCF files for some products also, which means I must have to install both files

    example: Aiko 4 and Aiko4 StudioCF

  • StorypilotStorypilot Posts: 1,660
    edited February 2013

    Kharma said:
    Thank you so much for replying Storypilot :) I also have another question or 2 ...I d/l just one file genesis essentials to see where it would download to as the default path, but my default path is set in DIM as

    C:\Users\Public\Documents\DAZ 3D\InstallManager\Downloads

    but in explorer if I follow the path throught the directories it goes

    C:\Users\Public\Public Documents\DAZ 3D\InstallManager\Downloads

    does the extra word Public make any difference or is that how it is supposed to be in Windows7


    and if I just check the DS 4.5 box it shows StudioCF files for some products also, which means I must have to install both files

    example: Aiko 4 and Aiko4 StudioCF

    That Public/Public Documents thing, that looks Ok, and it shouldn't matter, but I use a Mac, so I can't say definitely.

    As far as the StudioCF files, yes those you install both. :)

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  • SpitSpit Posts: 2,342
    edited December 1969

    I found many missing files that were not old ones (many of the same as ones listed above). I'll file a bug report to the tracker and add more as I discover them. I've only gone through about 900 of the 4300 or so files the DIM said I had. (There's more than that but the really old files aren't available yet.).

    I suspect many of the problems found with some files vis-a-vis metadata already existed. I've posted several times about problems using Smart Content tab in Studio and sensing that a lot of stuff was missing or misplaced or mislabled. But identifying what's missing is hard especially when the installation paths make browsing your content a nightmare.

    I don't know if everyone's noticed but there's a column in the 'installed' tab labeled: SMART. If it doesn't have a checkmark I presume metadata may be missing. There are a lot of blank cells in front of me as I look at it.

    QUESTION:

    Can you make the DIM's default Library the Studio default? Is it just a matter of positioning it at the top of the list? Can you rename it to My Library?

  • namretteknamrettek Posts: 168
    edited December 1969

    Anyone else missing all the "millenium" products - Horse, cat, big cat...

    Well, some 258 products installed while I was sleeping. Last time I reinstalled my content (about the same amount) it took me 2 days. only 900 some to go (not including the missing items)

  • islandgurl31islandgurl31 Posts: 250
    edited December 1969

    Sorry for sounding dense but what is a *Symbolik Link*? As I would like to move the download folder onto an external drive where I keep all my stuff backed up on :-). Thank you and take care :-).

  • TastigerTastiger Posts: 76
    edited February 2013

    Sorry for sounding dense but what is a *Symbolik Link*? As I would like to move the download folder onto an external drive where I keep all my stuff backed up on :-). Thank you and take care :-).

    You don't need a symbolic link to have your download folder on an external drive - just set your download folder to your preferred location.
    You will find the settings in settings/ downloads - see below

    However if you want to enter the world of sym links - here is a guide

    http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/16226/complete-guide-to-symbolic-links-symlinks-on-windows-or-linux/

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  • VoltisArtVoltisArt Posts: 212
    edited February 2013

    Kharma, that's correct. Public Documents is the display nick-name of the folder, but Documents is the actual folder name. One of those silly things Windows does to try to be more friendly, like calling the regular Documents folder My Documents. We see the "friendly" name in Explorer but programs see the real name...users are confused and hijinks ensue. Thanks, Microsoft! :P

    islandgurl, Tastiger is correct. To clarify, we're only needing symbolic links to move the program to another drive. Download and installation locations can be directly changed via the Download Filters button, which gives you the screen shown above.

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  • VoltisArtVoltisArt Posts: 212
    edited December 1969

    O...I wanted to make a note regarding my older post about the symbolic links:

    Moving non-Microsoft programs off your system drive and replacing them with symbolic links: Fun and easy!

    Moving Microsoft programs or the Programs folders off your system drive: TERRIBLE IDEA. BAD ELF! PUT IT BACK!

    Yeah...I got into hacking the Registry trying to make that idea work and wound up having to go back to the start and just move the individual folders inside Programs. It probably would have eventually worked, but if I'd kept at it I'd probably still be messing around in safe mode trying to make Windows ignore the guy behind the curtain pulling levers. There are too many dependencies, permissions and ownership issues to get past. Just. Don't. Do it.

  • KeryaKerya Posts: 10,943
    edited December 1969

    VoltisArt: thanks for the warning!
    Note to myself: no symlinks for Microsoft stuff!

    c:\users\public documents\DAZ 3D\InstallManager\ManifestFiles <-- this one will be symlinked, oh yeah!</p>

  • Joe CotterJoe Cotter Posts: 3,259
    edited February 2013

    So one question I have is, can someone have a folder of empty zip files with just the manifest file in it (a stub basically) rather then the full zip files for the purpose of the CM's tracking of what current download versions are? Since some people will prefer to install manually after sorting and renaming, usually the procedure is to rezip the sorted/renamed content in a zip file that may have an entirely different name (for easy searching of the archive.) Also, I personally rezip items in 7z format as it takes aprox. 2/3 the space of the standard zip format.

    I am guessing some people's whole purpose will be for version tracking only. (Not recommended as a method for most, of course.)

    The followup question would be, could someone create these stubs if they had the manifest and name of a particular item so that they didn't have to download items that were already current but that the CM wasn't aware of? This could be of great use to people with bandwidth issues or other constraints on their downloads.

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  • DisparateDreamerDisparateDreamer Posts: 2,491
    edited December 1969

    Does anyone know, can this manager be used to DOWNLOAD only, onto a specified location?
    At some point I need to do a complete backup of all my Daz files.

    back to "following my heart" browsing

  • LillianaLilliana Posts: 99
    edited December 1969

    No offense, Spooky...

    But telling me that I will like something, but not providing a Features list and a System Requirements list is only making me hesitant.

    I learned with Microsoft not to adopt new software on the first iteration. I already have an Installation Manager that works well for what I need and I would like to see how it compares before I make a decision.

  • Cliff BowmanCliff Bowman Posts: 1,677
    edited December 1969

    RAMWolff said:
    Well, ALL of the zips I've downloaded via the DIM show a Content folder as the parent folder. See the screen shot...
    Right, but no "content" folder is created when Install Manager installs the Contents of that folder.

    But if, say, you select a bunch of .zip files and "Extract All..." you're going to end up with all the data in a Content folder?

    Cheers,

    Cliff

  • Joe CotterJoe Cotter Posts: 3,259
    edited December 1969

    It would be pretty straightforward to drag and drop all of the items in the 'content folder' out of the content folder... a simple "Control+A, Control+X, backspace, Control+V.

  • Cliff BowmanCliff Bowman Posts: 1,677
    edited December 1969

    Gedd said:
    It would be pretty straightforward to drag and drop all of the items in the 'content folder' out of the content folder... a simple "Control+A, Control+X, backspace, Control+V.

    Not in Windows over hundreds of .zip files.

  • Joe CotterJoe Cotter Posts: 3,259
    edited February 2013

    If you do an extract all... it extracts them to the same content folder. Go into the content folder and do the keystrokes... takes less then 10 seconds, literally. The 'move' is an update of the pointer in the systems file index, also a matter of a couple seconds, and I am speaking literally, not figuratively.

    If one is 'moving' items to a different location on the same drive, the OS doesn't actually 'move' anything, it simply updates a pointer in the index.

    I mean this to be helpful, not to say anything negative about your concern btw.

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  • Cliff BowmanCliff Bowman Posts: 1,677
    edited February 2013

    With a few exctra confirms potentially, for every time to want to install and for every runtime you want to create, yes - it just seems like an odd extra little dance to put users through when the installer doesn't want them in the "Contents" folder either.

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  • VoltisArtVoltisArt Posts: 212
    edited December 1969

    Does anyone know, can this manager be used to DOWNLOAD only, onto a specified location?
    At some point I need to do a complete backup of all my Daz files.

    back to "following my heart" browsing


    Yep. Checkbox at the bottom of the "Ready to Download" tab toggles Install After Download. You set your download location in the Download Filters screen, shown in Tastiger's screen shot on the page before this.

    Cliff, your assumptions are correct. Spooky said that the reason this was done is because not all products will be installed to Content, like scripts. By starting at a higher folder level, they simplify the sorting and make it less likely that files will get lost.

  • Cliff BowmanCliff Bowman Posts: 1,677
    edited December 1969

    VoltisArt thanks - I missed that, and it kinda makes sense :)

    Cheers,

    Cliff

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 96,810
    edited December 1969

    With a few exctra confirms potentially, for every time to want to install and for every runtime you want to create, yes - it just seems like an odd extra little dance to put users through when the installer doesn't want them in the "Contents" folder either.

    If you are going to unpack a batch of files to the same location, why not just have the DIM unpack them to your chosen folder? Not that I don't dislike having the extra Content folder, but the reason for it does make sense now.

  • digitelldigitell Posts: 558
    edited December 1969

    What is the purpose of the content folder?? What is wrong with just having all the folders placed nicely into the runtime like it used to do?

  • SarunaSaruna Posts: 50
    edited December 1969

    Hi,

    I have installed the DIM since yesterday evening and already downloaded and installed on the hard-working my chosen directories. Really seems to be very useful, and I am very happy to now get instead of Installer.exes Zip files. :-)

    I noticed that in the download list some items appear to have failed. Is this normal and knows her well of your downloads with the DIM?

    What is the Brushes with purchased or programs? Can I download them via the DIM or do I go here the normal way on the face of the DAZ account?

  • Cliff BowmanCliff Bowman Posts: 1,677
    edited February 2013

    If you are going to unpack a batch of files to the same location, why not just have the DIM unpack them to your chosen folder? Not that I don't dislike having the extra Content folder, but the reason for it does make sense now.

    Offhand I've no idea - I'm just trying to make room to give DIM a test myself, but the thought originates from the promise that we're going to be able to "install" directly from the .ZIP files, given repeatedly IIRC - in which case I've been curious for some time as to why it would be made harder to install from .ZIP files than is strictly necessary.

    What is the purpose of the content folder?? What is wrong with just having all the folders placed nicely into the runtime like it used to do?

    Assuming I have read things correctly it's because some content DAZ have has to put put not in the Runtime folder, not in the parent of the Runtime folder, but in the grandparent of the Runtime folder. I think. So the "Content" folder is a placeholder name that can/will/should be changed to the parent of the Runtime folder during installation and allow for unzipping files into it's parent folder.

    Did I make that confusing enough?

    Cheers,

    Cliff

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  • Cliff BowmanCliff Bowman Posts: 1,677
    edited February 2013

    I think maybe it was too confusing, as my explanation confuises even me - so here's a piccy. Here I have a "Cliff Bowman" folder with 10 runtimes in it, each named after a product.

    The "Content" folder is changed to the name of the content library that I want to install to - for example, "Toon Teeth" or "Piggy Poses". These library folders contain the Runtime structures as illustrated by the Toon Teeth example.

    However, by having the "Content" folder in the zip files, DAZ make it easier for them to automatically install things in the "Cliff Bowman" folder, as it's clearly seperated from anything within the "Content" folder.

    What they might need to install there I'm not sure, but that's my reading of the need for the "Content" folder. They might also be able to install things from above the "Content" folder to the "Program Files" folder.

    Cheers,

    Cliff

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